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Marc Stein: Miami just as big of threat as Boston for Hayward

The Jazz Wonderbra said:
This smells like Miami or agents tampering to stir up some movement.

However, could tax rules play a role here?

https://www.slamonline.com/nba/state-taxes-nba-free-agency/#2OC6xuMfqHvM8HR4.97

If you are getting taxed 30% in Utah or 0% in Florida, that's a meaningful reason to go to Florida. Plus, there are beaches. His wife would be tan I guess. But I think that he would lose... a lot. He would be restarting in a big way. Miami doesn't even have a core. Whiteside isn't Gobert IMHO. He is older, a good shot blocker, but a worse defender. The management can get good players, but they don't build teams like the Spurs. It's a trendy move, but Dennis Lindsey and Quin Snyder will lead this team to a decade of greatness. Just watch. Miami? You can't even sweat in Miami.

It's a sellout move if that's where he goes. It would indicate to me that $$$ means more than winning. That is fine for many players, but I can't see Gordon being there and losing 50 games next year and being happy.
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Ofc tax plays a factor. Hayward is a republican, he probably hates taxes.
 
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
This smells like Miami or agents tampering to stir up some movement.

However, could tax rules play a role here?

https://www.slamonline.com/nba/state-taxes-nba-free-agency/#2OC6xuMfqHvM8HR4.97

If you are getting taxed 30% in Utah or 0% in Florida, that's a meaningful reason to go to Florida. Plus, there are beaches. His wife would be tan I guess. But I think that he would lose... a lot. He would be restarting in a big way. Miami doesn't even have a core. Whiteside isn't Gobert IMHO. He is older, a good shot blocker, but a worse defender. The management can get good players, but they don't build teams like the Spurs. It's a trendy move, but Dennis Lindsey and Quin Snyder will lead this team to a decade of greatness. Just watch. Miami? You can't even sweat in Miami.

It's a sellout move if that's where he goes. It would indicate to me that $$$ means more than winning. That is fine for many players, but I can't see Gordon being there and losing 50 games next year and being happy.
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You think Miami would lose 50 games with Hayward? They were 41-41 without him. With him they would win 50 games especially in the East.


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kabenac said:
I don't believe it for a second. Boston is the only threat because A) The East is weaker and B) (and more of a threat than the prior reason) Brad Stevens is the coach.
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It's only state tax and it's only on home games and utahs tax rate is not 30%... the difference is about what we could offer in a contract.

Only a factor if he's picking between Boston and Miami and uses state tax as a tie breaker.
 
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
This smells like Miami or agents tampering to stir up some movement.

However, could tax rules play a role here?

https://www.slamonline.com/nba/state-taxes-nba-free-agency/#2OC6xuMfqHvM8HR4.97

If you are getting taxed 30% in Utah or 0% in Florida, that's a meaningful reason to go to Florida. Plus, there are beaches. His wife would be tan I guess. But I think that he would lose... a lot. He would be restarting in a big way. Miami doesn't even have a core. Whiteside isn't Gobert IMHO. He is older, a good shot blocker, but a worse defender. The management can get good players, but they don't build teams like the Spurs. It's a trendy move, but Dennis Lindsey and Quin Snyder will lead this team to a decade of greatness. Just watch. Miami? You can't even sweat in Miami.

It's a sellout move if that's where he goes. It would indicate to me that $$$ means more than winning. That is fine for many players, but I can't see Gordon being there and losing 50 games next year and being happy.
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They were 30-10 in the second half. With him they certainly wouldn't lose 50 games next year in the weak east.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
It's only state tax and it's only on home games and utahs tax rate is not 30%... the difference is about what we could offer in a contract.

Only a factor if he's picking between Boston and Miami and uses state tax as a tie breaker.
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Don't states without an income tax make up for it with much higher property taxes?
 
You guys are also forgetting that he has a family, so it will depend on what his wife wants as well. Miami is a very good destination for them in my opinion.
 
Saying that Miami is as likely a destination as Boston, might just be saying Boston isn't that attractive a destination. Or, it might be putting pressure on Boston to make a deal to attract Hayward more.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
His agent reps Ingles too... might angle to get a better deal for Ingles if it is a package deal. They are friends and Ingles has stated his want to be here...
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I think this is a reach. At least I would hope so. You can't talk about wanting to be competitive, and then try to maximize every players salary with no regard as to how it affects your team's cap situation.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
1 word, 2 syllables

Lebron

I'd imagine their plan would be to trade for Butler, because Butler/Hayward allows enough cap-space to get James in 2018. They probably trade Dragic/Whiteside for Butler? IDK. I would think it would be something along those lines.
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1-Doubt Chicago does that.
2-LeBron back to Miami is highly unlikely, so I doubt Hayward gambles on an unlikely scenario that might happen next year.

If Lebron leaves Cleveland again to try and take on the dubs, my money is on him joining up with pops/Kawhi/unnamed player.

I don't think Hayward goes to Miami without Riley making things happen first, and I don't think he has the assets to really pull it off.
 
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