All-Time NBA Draft Round 1: elan_prodigy vs. Thee jazz fan

[Elizah Huge]

Team elan_prodigy:

PG - Chris Paul / Ben Simmons
SG - Kyle Korver / Michael Cooper
SF - Larry Bird / Toni Kukoc
PF - Chris Bosh / Bobby Jones
C - Rudy Gobert / Bill Laimbeer

Team Thee jazz fan:

PG - Damian Lillard / Kevin Johnson
SG - Clyde Drexler / Mitch Richmond
SF - Kawhi Leonard / Bernard King
PF - Dennis Rodman / Larry Nance
C - Patrick Ewing / Jermaine O'Neal

elan_prodigy's Case:

The Breakdown:

Starting at C: RUDY MF GOBERT (crowd goes wild)

Rudy Gobert is a UNIQUE individual; his agility, length (9'9" standing reach) and warrior like nature, Gobert has become a dominant figure on the defensive end and is sure to go down as one of the GREATS!! Not only is Gobert a phenomenal rim protector and shot blocker, he is also unique in his ability to 'alter' opponents shots. Gobert is also a FORCE on the offensive end, becoming the leagues most dominant 'roll man' and screen setter, he is a true nightmare in Pick n Roll situations.

Coming off the bench is Bill Laimbeer, a true stretch 5 and one of the most physical players in NBA history. When Rudy needs a break, Laimbeer can stretch the floor, clean the glass and SHUT DOWN the lane!!

Starting at PF: CHRIS BOSH

Chris Bosh is an integral piece to this puzzle. Standing 6'11" with a Career shooting % of 49.4% and a career high 40% from DEEP he will force his opponent to guard him on the perimeter beating most off the dribble or shooting over the rest (the 6'7" Rodman for example).

Coming off the bench is Bobby Jones. I can't talk enough about this 8x NBA All-Defensive First Teamer who has been described as "The greatest 6th man in NBA history" who's sides never missed the playoffs. Bobby Jones is all about winning and for those unfamiliar with Bobby I highly recommend watching these 2 min videos, it will show you everything you need to know.

[video=youtube_share;CO1UvhQMnRk]https://youtu.be/CO1UvhQMnRk
[video=youtube_share;-oAD5Rn21uU]https://youtu.be/-oAD5Rn21uU

Starting at SF: LARRY MF LEGEND

Now Kawhi is a great player but come on now... He's LARRY LEGEND for a reason.

Coming off the bench is Toni Kukoc, A 6'10", 235lb agile and versatile forward who has a Career shooting % of 44.7% and a career high of 44.6% from DEEP. Another excellent role player who can space the floor and defend multiple positions.

Starting at SG: KYLE KORVER

The 6'7" Korver is one of the GREATEST shooters in NBA history with a Career eFG% of 57.1% and a Career high 3pt% of 53.6%. If you leave him open, he's knocking it down!

Coming off the bench is Showtime's very own Michael Cooper. A lock-down perimeter defender and 8x NBA All-Defensive teams, Cooper is highly skilled in all facets of the game and an efficient scorer with career averages of:

PTS 8.9
TRB 3.2
AST 4.2
FG% 46.9
FG3%34.0
FT% 83.3
eFG%50.2
TRB 3.2
AST 4.2
FG% 46.9
FG3%34.0
FT% 83.3
eFG%50.2

Starting at PG: CHRIS PAUL

Chris Paul has been deemed "The Point God" for a reason, here are a few of them:

- 3rd ALL-TIME in Assists per game
- 5th ALL-TIME in Steals per game
- 6th ALL-TIME in Player Efficiency Rating
- 3rd ALL-TIME in Box Plus/Minus
- LEADER ALL-TIME in Assist/TO ratio
- LEADER ALL MF TIME in Offensive Rating
- 8x ALL NBA Team
- 9x NBA All-Defensive Team

Chris Paul is a true "Point God", a tough and tenacious defender, an assassin on offense and one of the smartest bball players of all time (Rudy and CP3... please). Its hard to quantify but imo Chris Paul is the GREATEST Pick n Roll PG of all-time!

Coming off the bench is Ben Simmons. The young phenom is untested at NBA level but the eyes test tells me he is the next in line to carry the torch. A true freak of nature, a 7ft PG who is a passing savant.

The Game Plan:

We are playing in the 1/2 court and running 1-5, 1-3 Pick n Rolls ALL DAY!! Lillard is one of the worst PnR defenders in the league and with Rudy setting screens and rolling to the rim or Bird screening and creating a switch, CP3 running the point, my team will be unstoppable on offense! If anyone comes to help CP3 can kick out to open shooters.

If it gets close (which it won't) I have the greatest clutch player of ALLTIME in my pocket, LARRY MF LEGEND!!!

On the defensive end Gobert can make life a miserable for Ewing, Rodman offers little offensively, Bird is one of the greatest for a reason, an underrated defender and too smart and big for Kawhi. Drexler is limited from DEEP and I have Cooper on the bench if needed. Lillard is 4-15 against CP3 and theres a reason for that worst PnR PG v the very very best.

GAME OVER!

Thee jazz fan's Case:

I feel My team is a matchup nightmare for Elan_prodigy's team. I employ one of the best wing defenders the game has seen. Bird may get his points, but Leonard will force him to take a lot more shots just to get those points.

Kawhi Leonard absolutely belongs as an all time great. He's not flashy, maybe a little boring as a technically sound all around basketball player at both ends of the court, and often shut down the other teams best player. Leonard does what it takes to win for his team. Let's not forget that that he led the Spurs to the second best record in a loaded western conference and had the Warriors reeling in game one of the playoffs this year before exiting with injury.

Clyde the glide is about as bad a matchup for Korver as it comes. Drexler may average 30+ against him.

My front court is as lethal on defense as you'll find. Rodman is just tenacious on that end and multiple time DPOY winner who can guard the 1 through 4 positions, and possibly the greatest rebounder in the game. Elan will probably tout Gobert as the top rim protector in the game today, but I counter that with Patrick Ewing. In his best year averaged 4 blk's a game.

My starting unit is loaded with elite skills on offense, Lillard is as skilled as they come. A great lead guard for any team.

Despite having Gobert there is not enough defense on Elan's team to stop a team comprised full of elite offense of players at every corner, and there's not enough fire power from his bench to keep up, an IMO Mitch Richmond is one of the best if not the best six man in this competition, while also having King who in his best year scored 32 points a game while having two shot blocking bigs in Jermaine O'Neal and Nance.

IMO, I win this series 4 games to 1 only due to the greatness of Bird and Gobert, otherwise it's a sweep. In the end I don't feel his lineup can hang. Korver is a great shooter but doesn't belong in a starting lineup in a competition full of all time greats. Bird and Korver are elite shooters, but it doesn't matter as no one else is anyone to be afraid of especially with Rodman Ewing and Leonard anchoring my defense.

Players best years and some highlights.

Patrick Ewing
28.6 pts. 10.9 reb. 2.2 ast. 1.0 stl. 4 blk. 55%fg 77%ft. 7.9 ft attempts
Highlights
https://youtu.be/I6gyP12HBOY

Dennis Rodman
9.8pts. 18.7reb. 2.3ast. 0.8stl. 0.9blk 53%fg
Highlights
https://youtu.be/xS5yQJQewJU

Kawhi Leonard
25.5pts. 5.8reb. 3.5ast. 1.8stl. 0.7blk 38%3pt 48%fg. 88%ft 7.2 ft attempts per game
Highlights
https://youtu.be/k9KM-aPj-d0
Defense against other NBA stars
https://youtu.be/K0x9tJF1aCU

Defense against other NBA stars
https://youtu.be/K0x9tJF1aCU

Clyde Drexler
27.2pts. 7.9reb. 5.8ast. 2.7stl. 49%fg. 79%ft 7ft attemts per game
Highlights
https://youtu.be/2MkPZWiPitA

Damien Lillard
27pts. 4.9reb. 5.9ast. 0.9stl. 37%3pt. 44%fg. 89%ft 7.3 ft attempts per game
59 or gave against the jazz. Takes Gobert to the rim a few times.
https://youtu.be/jAb3gCQOJjw

Jermaine O'Neal
24.3pts. 8.8reb. 1.9ast. 2.0blk. 45%fg. 75%ft. 8.9 ft attempts per game

Larry Nance sr.
21.1pts. 9.9reb. 3.1ast. 2.3blk. 53%fg. 75%ft 6.2 ft attempts per game

Bernard King.
32.9pts. 5.8reb. 3.7ast. 1.3stl. 53%fg. 77%ft. 10 ft attempts per game

Mitch Richmond
Game highlights vs the rockets
https://youtu.be/YlwVvQIx2NY
25.9pts. 3.9reb. 4.2ast. 1.5stl. 42%3pt. 45%fg. 86%ft. 6.6 ft attempts per game

Kevin Johnson
22.5pts. 3.6ast. 1.3 stl. 49%fg. 83%ft. 8.1ft attempts per game

 

[Coach Ellis]

I like Thee's team

 

[Ron Mexico]

How come Elan left didnt draft a backup PG? Seems weird to leave one spot empty. I guess Bird could run point if CP3 needs a breather?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Elan

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[Park Bites]

crap hit the wrong button my vote was suppose to go to the Jazz fan

 

[Park Bites]

How come Elan left didnt draft a backup PG? Seems weird to leave one spot empty. I guess Bird could run point if CP3 needs a breather?

or Kukoc

 

[Coach Ellis]

I have a hard time picking any team with Korver and Bosh in the starting lineup.

 

[Eminence]

Two pretty solid teams here, hope Simmons never sees the court. Overall fit of Elan's team (minus Simmons) is almost perfect, CP3/Bird would make that offense absolutely hum, and Rudy with a bunch of solid defenders would do great work. Elan gets my vote.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Spacing would be a little struggle for Thee's starters but that is a mean group and I really like the Drexler Kawhi wing combo. There is a lot of nastiness on that team. As much as I love Gobert he is not a top 16 center of all time an not better than Ewing. Maybe one day I hope.

Easy vote for Thee for me.

Plus throwing away a pick on Simmons is just silly.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

How is this vote even close?? I'm littered with all time greats while he has Korver and Bosh starting. Lmao.

 

[elan_prodigy]

I have a hard time picking any team with Korver and Bosh in the starting lineup.

Great floor spacers for my team though and are effective without needing a lot of touches letting CP3 go to work in the Pick n Roll.

Which is the opposite of Thee who has ZERO outside shooting unless he is relying on Kawhi knocking in shots over Bird... None of his 'scorers' have any room to work.

 

[elan_prodigy]

How is this vote even close?? I'm littered with all time greats while he has Korver and Bosh starting. Lmao.

Because my team works, you can't stop me on the offensive end and offensively your team doesn't function against mine, has no floor spacing. Its just a bad match up for you.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Spacing would be a little struggle for Thee's starters but that is a mean group and I really like the Drexler Kawhi wing combo. There is a lot of nastiness on that team. As much as I love Gobert he is not a top 16 center of all time an not better than Ewing. Maybe one day I hope.

Easy vote for Thee for me.

Plus throwing away a pick on Simmons is just silly.

I actually feel spacing is fine. I don't need to explain Leonard and Lillard for obvious reasons. Ewing was a good shooter out to 20 feet, who often was in the high post as well as the low post. As for Drexler. He's an all time great who maybe didn't shoot well from distance, but he would space the floor through pick'n roll. Was a great passer, and great in transition. Plus you didn't sag off Drexler because he could get to the basket at will, either by going around u or through u. Sag off, and he went through you, play tight and he went around you and look at who is guarding him for a good. chunk of the game, Korver.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Because my team works, you can't stop me on the offensive end and offensively your team doesn't function against mine, has no floor spacing. Its just a bad match up for you.

Read above. Lol Bosh and Korver starting is all I need to say

 

[Ron Mexico]

I actually feel spacing is fine. I don't need to explain Leonard and Lillard for obvious reasons. Ewing was a good shooter out to 20 feet, who often was in the high post as well as the low post. As for Drexler. He's an all time great who maybe didn't shoot well from distance, but he would space the floor through pick'n roll. Was a great passer, and great in transition. Plus you didn't sag off Drexler because he could get to the basket at will, either by going around u or through u. Sag off, and he went through you, play tight and he went around you and look at who is guarding him for a good. chunk of the game, Korver.

Yeah, I dont think its awful but not the best.

Having Korver start is kind of a joke though, he could not pretend to slow down any of these players and would be a big liability. All he can do is shoot and even that would fail if he thought he was going to set a record and stopped shooting like he did for the Jazz.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Kawhi and Rodman are pretty capable of slowing everyone down on defense and Bird and Bosh might struggle with them, more so Bosh.

 

[elan_prodigy]

Kawhi and Rodman are pretty capable of slowing everyone down on defense and Bird and Bosh might struggle with them, more so Bosh.

Bosh just needs wait in the corner and keep Rodmans attention. If Rodman goes to help when Lillard gets hung up on screens, Bosh has open looks all game. Same with Korver, they cant leave him.

I have better defensive options but Thee can't hang offensively.

 

[elan_prodigy]

Read above. Lol Bosh and Korver starting is all I need to say

Just means you cant have help D.

Rudy Pick n Roll on a slow ***, heavy footed Ewing.

Bird Pick n Roll which will cause a switch onto Lillard (buckets) or an open lane for CP3 (buckets).

You can't stop it.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Just means you cant have help D.

Rudy Pick n Roll on a slow ***, heavy footed Ewing.

Bird Pick n Roll which will cause a switch onto Lillard (buckets) or an open lane for CP3 (buckets).

You can't stop it.

Ewing was not slow or heavy footed. Your thinking of his twilight as he developed knee issues late in his career. He was an elite defender in his prime years.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Just means you cant have help D.

Rudy Pick n Roll on a slow ***, heavy footed Ewing.

Bird Pick n Roll which will cause a switch onto Lillard (buckets) or an open lane for CP3 (buckets).

You can't stop it.

Lol. At least Lillard belongs. Drexler would absolutely destroy Korver. They'd be scrapping up his guts off the floor for weeks after Drexler was done with him.