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Food for thought: why didn't KOC trade up to 6 with Golden State?

Jazz4ever

Jazz4ever

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The Warriors wanted Udoh but he would have certainly been there at 9. KOC says he tried his darndest to trade up but I have a hard time believing that knowing GS would probably swap spots for very little. I'm not a huge Monroe fan, but like him better than Hayward, and he was 99% sure to be there as Sacramento publicly said they were taking Cousins at 5.

It doesn't add up how KOC could fail to swap spots with GS unless he valued Hayward higher than Monroe.
 
Jazz4ever said:
The Warriors wanted Udoh but he would have certainly been there at 9. KOC says he tried his darndest to trade up but I have a hard time believing that knowing GS would probably swap spots for very little. I'm not a huge Monroe fan, but like him better than Hayward, and he was 99% sure to be there as Sacramento publicly said they were taking Cousins at 5.

It doesn't add up how KOC could fail to swap spots with GS unless he valued Hayward higher than Monroe.
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What did the Jazz have to entice Golden State into swapping picks?
 
A future 1st would have done it, as I said Golden State new Udoh would be there at 9, and would be cheaper as well. It would be a completely free gift for them.
 
Jazz4ever said:
A future 1st would have done it, as I said Golden State new Udoh would be there at 9, and would be cheaper as well. It would be a completely free gift for them.
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A future 1st? I question KOC a lot, but I have to think that he used the Memphis pick in trade offers and maybe a protected 2012 pick. Even inept front offices wouldn't trade down to 9 since that was probably the worst spot in the draft. How would Golden State "now" that Udoh would be there when Detroit was picking behind them and needing a big man? They took their man and didn't look back.
 
YB85 said:
A future 1st? I question KOC a lot, but I have to think that he used the Memphis pick in trade offers and maybe a protected 2012 pick. Even inept front offices wouldn't trade down to 9 since that was probably the worst spot in the draft. How would Golden State "now" that Udoh would be there when Detroit was picking behind them and needing a big man? They took their man and didn't look back.
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What is this nonsense? You and I both know that Jazzfanz posters know LOADS more than KOC, Sloan, the coaches, the scouts, and the annalists. I have a feeling that the Miller's are conspiring to LOSE money with the Jazz. It's all starting to come together...
 
Jazz4ever said:
The Warriors wanted Udoh but he would have certainly been there at 9. KOC says he tried his darndest to trade up but I have a hard time believing that knowing GS would probably swap spots for very little. I'm not a huge Monroe fan, but like him better than Hayward, and he was 99% sure to be there as Sacramento publicly said they were taking Cousins at 5.

It doesn't add up how KOC could fail to swap spots with GS unless he valued Hayward higher than Monroe.
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Exactly.
Either Monore wasn't a lot higher on their board than Hayward or GS wanted too much.

WE can agree/disagree with the selection, but clearly JOC choose the BPA on the Jazz' draft board and didn't go for position of greatest need.

Personally, I wanted Udoh. I think he could have given the Jazz some defense and shot-blocking,. But I understand the reasoning. When Okur comes back, that gives us 6 very good shooters on the team (Deron, Matthews, Millsap, CJ, Hayward and Okur). Five of those guys have 3-pt range and Millsap has developed an excellent mid-range game. If Hayward has decent ball-handling skills (he was originally a PG, IINM, before his growth spurt), then he could create some real mismatches and take some pressure off Deron.

I'm not sure where KOC is going to find a tough, defensive-minded 4/5, but that's the only real need. Someone who is big enough to play center and can slide over to PF behind Millsap.
 
its a question of weather Detroit would have taken Udoh... and they would not have... I don't think. They probably would have taken Aldrich or Aminu... maybe LA would have taken Udoh if the Pistons took Aminu... but Udoh i believe was only very high on GS's board... I think the Jazz wanted him second most... but we would have assuredly rather had Monroe.
 
I had a lot of concerns with Monroe. He really looks soft. I also don't think GS wanted to lose out possibly on Udoh. So this all might be a non issue. Now if we were somehow able to get into the top 5 and take Cousins then it wouldn't have been. The Kings took him at 5, right?
 
There was no one at 6 that was worth trading up for. We got as good a prospect as anyone at 6. If we could get into the top 3-5 and grab Couzins, then yes, it's worth trading up. But at 6, elite prospects were gone. No point of trading up to take a player who is not any better as the guy we got at 9.
 
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