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Crazy trade?

Jeffrey32 said:
Jazz lose too much offense getting rid of Jefferson for Bogut. Bogut and Favors would be a fantastic defensive presence though. Hard to replace Jefferson 20 points per game.
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I'll bet you $1000 we wouldn't miss Jefferson.

It is intriguing to think about a trade that goes something like this:

EDIT:
UTAH trades: Jefferson + #12 + CJ + Tomic
UTAH receives: Bogut + #40

MIL trades: Bogut + #10 + #40
MIL receives: Jefferson + #5 + Tomic

TOR trades: #5
TOR receives: #10 + #12 + CJ

(could throw essentially the same offer to WASH).
 
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You're crazy!

Bogut isn't very good (not worth the #3 and Millsap/Jefferson). And he's always injured.
 
I'll bet you $1000 we wouldn't miss Jefferson.

It is intriguing to think about a trade that goes something like this:

EDIT:
UTAH trades: Jefferson + #12 + CJ + Tomic
UTAH receives: Bogut + #40

MIL trades: Bogut + #10 + #40
MIL receives: Jefferson + #5 + Tomic

TOR trades: #5
TOR receives: #10 + #12 + CJ
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Wow! Most trades on this board are heavily done in Utah's favor. This one is the eaxct oppsite. Utah is giving up 4 players for a oft-injured center and a second round pick? The Bucks and Raptors make out way better.
 
Jeffrey32 said:
Wow! Most trades on this board are heavily done in Utah's favor. This one is the eaxct oppsite. Utah is giving up 4 players for a oft-injured center and a second round pick? The Bucks and Raptors make out way better.
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That's one way of saying it.
Another way of seeing it: the Jazz are getting a legit, borderline All-Star Center while finally giving up on CJ and someone (Tomic) that might never play in the NBA. Both of these guys can be lost with no regrets if they bring stability to the 5. And, there might be a player at 40... plus we don't have to give him guaranteed money.
 
The Thriller said:
Bogut isn't very good.
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Bogut IS very good. He's probably the 2nd-best defensive big in the league and not a slouch on offense either. I'd love to have him, and I'm far less concerned with an elbow problem than I would a back or knee problem (which he's had back problems before, but I don't recall him having any this year).
 
slc said:
Just a quick idea. Not sure I like it but here goes.
Trade Jefferson and the #3 for Bogut and Bucks #10.
Jazz now have Bogut and the #10 and #12.
This trade works on trade checker.
Jazz now have legit defensive center.
Can Jazz still get what they need with #10 and #12?
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This trade is not crazy. It's moranic.
 
NAOS said:
I'll bet you $1000 we wouldn't miss Jefferson.

It is intriguing to think about a trade that goes something like this:

EDIT:
UTAH trades: Jefferson + #12 + CJ + Tomic
UTAH receives: Bogut + #40

MIL trades: Bogut + #10 + #40
MIL receives: Jefferson + #5 + Tomic

TOR trades: #5
TOR receives: #10 + #12 + CJ

(could throw essentially the same offer to WASH).
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This trade idea only got one half-cracked response. I'm curious what the rest of you think. Not realistic? Why? Not interested? Why? Thanks, dudes
 
NAOS said:
I'll bet you $1000 we wouldn't miss Jefferson.

It is intriguing to think about a trade that goes something like this:

EDIT:
UTAH trades: Jefferson + #12 + CJ + Tomic
UTAH receives: Bogut + #40

MIL trades: Bogut + #10 + #40
MIL receives: Jefferson + #5 + Tomic

TOR trades: #5
TOR receives: #10 + #12 + CJ

(could throw essentially the same offer to WASH).
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I'm not sure that MIL has the confidence in Al to pull this off. But, if they got really stoked on Biyombo they may consider it; they're pretty thin in the front court and Big Al and Bismack could fix that.
 
Milwaukee may like Jefferson or Millsap + 12 for Bogut. Al and Sap would both work well paired up with the longer, defensive minded Sanders in the front court.
They would want us to take back one of their long term overpaid scrubs though (Salmons, Maggette, or Gooden), but the Jazz would no longer have to search for that elusive center. Obviously the deal could be tweaked

I'm not sure why Milwaukee overpaid all those guys, but it didn't work and they need to start rebuilding. The Jazz and Bucks make pretty good trading partners I think.
 
NAOS said:
I'll bet you $1000 we wouldn't miss Jefferson.

It is intriguing to think about a trade that goes something like this:

EDIT:
UTAH trades: Jefferson + #12 + CJ + Tomic
UTAH receives: Bogut + #40

MIL trades: Bogut + #10 + #40
MIL receives: Jefferson + #5 + Tomic

TOR trades: #5
TOR receives: #10 + #12 + CJ

(could throw essentially the same offer to WASH).
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I LOVE this for the Jazz. Anytime you're parlaying proven garbage (Jefferson is not a winner, Miles is a tard) and crapshoot assets (#12 in any draft is a gamble, Tomic might not ever come over and he probably shouldn't) for a GREAT player, you ****ing win.

I don't like Bogut's injury problems, but that's usually what you're in store for when you have someone as big as Bogut and willing to put his body on the line. But besides meaning he plays the game with a purer intention (taking charges might be the least sexy, least selfish thing a player can do), those injuries mean he might be available.

I don't think the Bucks do it for the exact reasons a smart Jazz fan would. But yes, I do it 8 days a week. I'm also a big Millsap fan, but if they'd rather have him for whatever reason, I'd do it. Hell, I might even do BOTH if it came down to it. Having Favors and Bogut as a starting point for your bigs is phenomenal even if your 3rd big isn't very good, but 3rd bigs are a lot easier to find.
 
Don't see how either Bucks or Raps let Jazz get Bogut and keep the #3.
One of them will want that #3 pick.
 
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