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Defensive Stoppers in the Lottery

What about Biyombo? That guy apparently has no offensive game. But a great defensive motor. I'm still excited about him. He had 12 blocks in the NHS. Still lost by 12 though. I don't know what any of this means for him as a defensive stopper in the NBA.

Is it dumb for us to consider him in the lottery? I really like him. But I think sometimes we get attached to guys and it overrides better judgment. But maybe all the pre-draft time has me second guessing an obvious talent. I can't see straight anymore.
 
billyshelby said:
I just want anyone to explain how Chris Singleton is not Corey Brewer.
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They are completely different players physically and have completely different skill sets. I don't think there could be a more simple, thorough explanation than that.

I'm assuming you were inferring Singleton will be a bust as Brewer has proven to be, and that may end up being true. But it won't be because he's similar on the court.
 
chitownjazz said:
They are completely different players physically and have completely different skill sets. I don't think there could be a more simple, thorough explanation than that.

I'm assuming you were inferring Singleton will be a bust as Brewer has proven to be, and that may end up being true. But it won't be because he's similar on the court.
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I don't think they're as different as you think. Singleton will be an anemic offensive player in the NBA. So he better be All World defensively to draft him in the lottery.
 
Singleton has the body not to be out muscled by elite NBA SF's though. C.Brewer was 200 lbs max. Their offensive game is pretty comparable though. It's not out of the question to pick him 12th in a weak draft.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Singleton has the body not to be out muscled by elite NBA SF's though. C.Brewer was 200 lbs max. Their offensive game is pretty comparable though. It's not out of the question to pick him 12th in a weak draft.
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And yet, Corey Brewer is still considered an excellent defender. Chris Singleton has an excellent chance of being this year's Corey Brewer who is so worthless on offense that he draws a DNP behind Desean Stevenson.
 
The thing I like about Singleton is that he gives the Jazz an option that they don't currently have. He might not play a lot every game and he certainly could get some DNP's. But he could also come into a game where an opposing wing is hot and at least compete with him and slow him down. I don't think we have anyone on the team right now that I would have confidence in to be able to do that. It's all about match ups.
 
Maybe it's better to draft talent. Get defense from a FA fighting for a job. Defense is largely about effort and unemployment's good motivation.
 
There is no sutch thing as a Defensive stopper like Pippen was. The new rules made sure of that. All you can do is try to stay in front of your guy without touching him. Almost impossibe as a wing player to do that. Thats why drafting a guy on Defense alone (wing/guards only) is never the way to go. If you can get a good Shot Blocker in the middle that helps because guys are going to get to the basket now a days with the rules the way they are.
 
Ben10 said:
There is no sutch thing as a Defensive stopper like Pippen was. The new rules made sure of that. All you can do is try to stay in front of your guy without touching him. Almost impossibe as a wing player to do that. Thats why drafting a guy on Defense alone (wing/guards only) is never the way to go. If you can get a good Shot Blocker in the middle that helps because guys are going to get to the basket now a days with the rules the way they are.
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Yes and No.
Yes, wing stoppers can't shut down really quick offensive wings due to the rules. In regular season.
But refs do allow pretty much of contact in playoffs. That's when you really need these guys to show up.
Not liking Singleton though.
 
Defensive Stoppers are like hot chicks with a personality - everybody knows of one; but no one can produce one.

There is no such thing as defensive stoppers anymore. Do you really think the league wants more Bruce Bowens and Ben Wallaces or more Kevin Durants and Carmelo Anthonys? Alot of the stuff that Bruce Bowen did 6 or 7 years ago would get a player fouled out in 20 minutes today.

What's left are players who buy into playing team defense and players who don't.
 
billyshelby said:
"Defensive Stoppers" are not easier to identify than great players. In the lottery, you don't draft guys who you think will only be great defensively. Those guys are hard to keep on the floor in the NBA. The Bowens and Battiers are rare exceptions to the rule. And Battier wasn't expected to be almost worthless offensively when he was drafted.

The real question is when was the last guy who came right into the league as one of the best defensive players? It never happens like that. Even the great defensive players need experience in the league guarding the best guys to define themselves as so good defensively that they have to be on the floor no matter how bad their offense is.
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Bingo. Billy is right on. I would argue that using a lottery pick on someone you think is only great offensively is equally as silly though the offensive guys are easier to detect.

BTW, when I opened this thread, I was sure it was about Jimmer.
 
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