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Yep. Jazz will get lucky to get a contributor at #21. Odds go down exponentially that you won’t get a guy like that by dropping down at that point. Stay put or move up, but don’t move down. We don’t need multiple 2nd round players anymore. If anything, they should try to move up as close to #31 as they can and take one shot to get a guy they think fell.

Research actually shows that the 26 and 30 has produced more stars than 21... historically 21 to 26 or 30 is not an exponential drop off... also we keep saying crappy second rounder like they are all the same... 34/38 are exponentially different than 52...

We may not do it and again it all depends on how the draft falls out but folks acting like it’s foolish are wrong... it’s worked before... it’s failed before... drafting is an not science... research helps... but I’ll take luck every damn day.
 
Research actually shows that the 26 and 30 has produced more stars than 21... historically 21 to 26 or 30 is not an exponential drop off... also we keep saying crappy second rounder like they are all the same... 34/38 are exponentially different than 52...

We may not do it and again it all depends on how the draft falls out but folks acting like it’s foolish are wrong... it’s worked before... it’s failed before... drafting is an not science... research helps... but I’ll take luck every damn day.
That is useless information tbh. Every draft is it's own unique thing. The guys who were drafted at 26 and 30 where there to be drafted at 21. The team at 21 just sucked.
 
That is useless information tbh. Every draft is it's own unique thing. The guys who were drafted at 26 and 30 where there to be drafted at 21. The team at 21 just sucked.

But over the years you’d think it’d equal out cuz different teams in different spots... not an exact science but acting like 21 is a golden ticket and 26 or 30 are trash is silly... it is likely that the guy we select at 21 is in the same talent tier as a guy we’d take at 26... unless a guy slid... which I’d wait and see.
 
The difference in talent that will be available at 21 and talent that will be available at 26 in this draft is not that large, if there is a gap at all. If the Jazz feel they can get their guy or one of multiple comparable talents at 26 why wouldn't they trade down for another asset? I don't know why people are acting like the gap between 21 ans 26 is the size of the grand canyon.
 
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That’s the only scenario where I could understand the reasoning. I think it is way more likely a dude we are in love with falls a bit and we make a play to jump up to get him. I can’t see any way where we are just fine waiting longer and being okay with whatever scraps are left from 21->26 or 21->30 etc. but no one really knows so it’s pointless to keep arguing.

Huh... what if you think the guys from 20-30 are relatively similar? In the same talent tier... slide down and take the one you like best... there is a chance another guy is there from that group at 34 or 38.
 
But over the years you’d think it’d equal out cuz different teams in different spots... not an exact science but acting like 21 is a golden ticket and 26 or 30 are trash is silly... it is likely that the guy we select at 21 is in the same talent tier as a guy we’d take at 26... unless a guy slid... which I’d wait and see.
Like I've said, I don't think the Jazz would ever view prospects in that general of terms.
 
I would say that was a much different situation because:
1. They knew who the Lakers were going to pick because the Lakers are exceedingly stupid
2. They got the Kings 2019 draft pick (top 1 protected)

So there really was 0 risk in their trade. They knew who was going 1 and they knew who was going. If the Jazz trade down to 26 or 30, they really have no idea how is going 21/22/23/24/25/26/27/28/29. It's too risky and the Jazz are too smart. They are going to have someone they really like at 21. They should just draft him because they are a smart team. If someone gives them an unprotected projected lottery pick, then yeah, that would change my mind. A few meh 2nd rounders does not.

No team is going to give an unprotected pick for 21. Those last few sentences made no sense.
 
The difference in talent that will be available at 21 and talent that will be available at 26 in this draft is not that large, if there is a gap at all. If the Jazz feel they can get their guy or one of multiple comparable talents at 26 why wouldn't they trade down for another asset? I don't know why people are acting like the gap between 21 ans 26 is the size of the grand canyon.
If only 5 guys pan out between 20 and 30, wouldn't you want one of the fist selections in that group? Dennis Lindsey drafts with conviction, not like a meager peasant. He knows who he wants and he gets them. He doesnt let other teams dictate the terms if he can control it.
 
I think what the Jazz do is take a high-level view of the draft and decide who it is they want. They don't start from the perspective that they're drafting at #21 or anywhere else. They identify 3 - 5 or so players they really want to go after and then see if there's anyway they can make it happen. Last year, there were apparently three guys the Jazz really liked. One was Mitchell. One was probably Markkanen (just guessing), and then there was a third guy--maybe Jackson or Tatum. They then went through the process of figuring out how they could get one of those guys, and they worked out a deal with Denver. (I don't believe the deal involving #24 and Trey Lyles was last-minute. It was a contingency they worked out days if not a week or two in advance. It then moved forward when the Paul George-to-Cleveland deal fell through.)

In other words, the Jazz try to use the draft to maximize their ability to bring in young talent and they target someone specific they really believe in. Usually the players they want in the draft are at or above where they are drafting. This year, for example, I'm guessing they really like Doncic, Bagley, Jackson Jr., Mikal Bridges, Miles Bridges, and they'll make attempts to make a move to get one of them--though, unlike last year, they don't have a young prospect they can trade to move up.

There are also a few guys that the Jazz really like who might realistically be available at #21. Just guessing, but those players probably include Walker, Zhaire Smith, Huerter, KBD, Brown, and maybe Okobo. They might also have some interest in Melvin Frazier or Okogie (again just a guess). They probably won't pull the trigger on a deal to move back in the draft unless: a) a guy they're targeting at #21 is no longer on the board, b) they really like guys further back in the draft, and c) the value being offered to move back is compelling. They might have a contingency in place, but that deal wouldn't be made until right before they pick.

If the Jazz decide they freaking love Jerome Robinson or Josh Okogie, if they feel safe moving back to #27 to get one of those players, and they like the value being offered to swap their #21 pick, then they may do it, but not a moment sooner.

A couple years ago, the Jazz had targeted the Bolomboy kid from Weber State as a guy they liked in the mid-late 2nd round. Other guys they wanted to draft were gone by the time their 2nd-round pick came up. They were confident Bolomboy would be there at #52, and they traded back several spots in the 2nd round for $3 million.

That's how the decision-making process works, imo.
 
Huh... what if you think the guys from 20-30 are relatively similar? In the same talent tier... slide down and take the one you like best... there is a chance another guy is there from that group at 34 or 38.
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This is the exact same thing you asked me 10 minutes ago, Scroll up for my answer. We’ve exhausted every possible avenue of conversation with this topic because it really quite simple. Any more conversation about it seems pointless.
 
No team is going to give an unprotected pick for 21. Those last few sentences made no sense.
What didnt make sense? I said good teams dont trade down and he brought up a bogus comparison (well maybe not bogus, but something that is clearly a much different context) of Boston trading down 1 to 3. Then I brought up why they arent comparable and ended it by saying facetiously that I would consider trading down if they got an unprotected future lottery pick like the Celtics did.

Not a lot to get.
 
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The Jazz are a team that used the 30th pick and the 42nd overall pick to trade up two spots to draft Tony Bradley. They don't play that ****boi **** of waiting to see who drops to them and crossing their fingers.
 
Like I've said, I don't think the Jazz would ever view prospects in that general of terms.

The jazz front office are not that unified... they have their own unique opinions... I can promise you they have talent tiers and while they may prefer one guy over another... say they generally like KBD more than Melvin Frazier and Hutchison but think they could get one of them by sliding back and get Jerome Robinson, Jevon Carter, or Aaron Holiday in the process then maybe the consensus is to go that route.
 
The jazz front office are not that unified... they have their own unique opinions... I can promise you they have talent tiers and while they may prefer one guy over another... say they generally like KBD more than Melvin Frazier and Hutchison but think they could get one of them by sliding back and get Jerome Robinson, Jevon Carter, or Aaron Holiday in the process then maybe the consensus is to go that route.

By the time of the draft, they're unified. They can beat each other up in meetings before the draft, but on the day of the draft they have their priorities locked in.
 
The Jazz are a team that used the 30th pick and the 42nd overall pick to trade up two spots to draft Tony Bradley. They don't play that ****boi **** of waiting to see who drops to them and crossing their fingers.

And that was a boss move... oh wait we could have taken a wing and an international prospect or two wings... but yeah moving up for the project big who likely isn’t ready backup minutes this year. We’ve also sold picks that could have been used on useful players... they ain’t all winners... I love DL doe so don’t get it twisted.
 
I don't agree that the Jazz have guys that they "generally like." They are making multi-million-dollar investments that tie up their cap and carry a heavy opportunity cost if they get it wrong.

Right now, they're having very pointed debates and asking very specific questions, like "Can KBD guard wings if we switch? Does he have enough speed and length to provide help defense when players switch on the perimeter? Is he a starter and a better player than we can attract in free agency? Can he replace Favors on day one? Can he attack close-outs and make a read in Quin's system? How long will it take him to pick up enough plays to get minutes?"

By the time they go through all of this heated debate they'll come out with very clear preferences for one player over another.
 
And that was a boss move... oh wait we could have taken a wing and an international prospect or two wings... but yeah moving up for the project big who likely isn’t ready backup minutes this year. We’ve also sold picks that could have been used on useful players... they ain’t all winners... I love DL doe so don’t get it twisted.

If Bradley was a guy they wanted, then making a move to get him was the right move. They made a clear decision and executed. So you have to credit them for that. If Bradley becomes close to the interior defender and rebounder that Steven Adams is, they made a good move. It's relatively easy to pick up backup guards like Josh Hart or Derrick White.
 
Rumored that Kevin Huerter got a promise from a NBA team. Will be interesting to see if he schedules workouts with anyone now.
 
The jazz front office are not that unified... they have their own unique opinions... I can promise you they have talent tiers and while they may prefer one guy over another... say they generally like KBD more than Melvin Frazier and Hutchison but think they could get one of them by sliding back and get Jerome Robinson, Jevon Carter, or Aaron Holiday in the process then maybe the consensus is to go that route.

Sure, but at the end of the day when they sit down to do their final big board days before their draft, Dennis Lindsey whips out his huge dick and writes the order down.
 
And that was a boss move... oh wait we could have taken a wing and an international prospect or two wings... but yeah moving up for the project big who likely isn’t ready backup minutes this year. We’ve also sold picks that could have been used on useful players... they ain’t all winners... I love DL doe so don’t get it twisted.
I'm not saying if it was a good move or not, that's impossible to say at this point. I'm saying that I think we have a pretty good feel for how DL operates and the trades Lopo brought up are not how he operates. I'm just showing they arent wishy washy and just waiting for whatever drops to them.
 
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