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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yeah, I would put Jokic 5th. Obviously a lot more talented than Horford, but his defensive issues (he is bloody awful) make him worse than Horford by a decent degree. Horford is just such a huge counter to the best centers where Jokic gets exposed by basically every player in the NBA on the defensive end.

If I'm being honest, I might even have Jokic lower than 5th. I really think his defensive issues will prevent Denver from making the playoffs again.
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First, in playoff basketball, 2/3 of my frontcourt are elite defenders (LeBron's regular season stats are from his pacing). So Jokic is complemented much better than in Denver, where he is surrounded by mediocrity excluding Milsap. Horford matches up with the best offensive big, and, as you say, "a huge counter to the best centers"

Second, even if there is a defensive liability with Jokic, the offensive combination of the three will much more than offset any deficit. If a team goes small, I will have a counter from my bench.

Third, the "Jokic is a terrible defender" is a popular, misguided and exaggerated take, where people fail to take a balanced look at stats and blame Jokic for Denver's defensive woes. He is, in fact, an average defender.

Player/ Year/ DRPM/ DRPM Rank among Centers

Jokic
....2018/+1.95/ 21rst
....2017/ +2.29/19th
....2016/ +3.61/ 4rth

Last 3 years Defensive +/-: +3.1 +2.3 +2.1



2018 DRPM has him above the likes of DeAndre, Dwight, M Gasol, Drummond, Adams, WCStein, etc.

If he is badly hurting his team on the floor, there is NO WAY he puts up these stats DRPM exposes the KATs Okafors & Kanters of the world

People see his playing close to the floor and assume that he is ineffective. He is an average defender.

If you have KAT in your top 3, you must be completely ignoring KAT's obviously pitiful defense.

KAT
....2018/.044/ 63rd
....2017/-1.41/ 68th
....2016/-0.22/ 49th
 
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Grayson's Hands said:
Lol you guys are ****ing hilarious. My bad Horford is a god. Top-15 player easy. We should just give silesian the title now.
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There’s middle ground between calling him a top-15 player (which nobody but yourself has done) and calling him a bum.

Quit acting like a child and learn how to present an argument.
 
JustTheTip said:
There’s middle ground between calling him a top-15 player (which nobody but yourself has done) and calling him a bum.

Quit acting like a child and learn how to present an argument.
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You take the word bum so literal. You’re too old to understand anyways.
 
silesian said:
First, in playoff basketball, 2/3 of my frontcourt are elite defenders (LeBron's regular season stats are from his pacing). So Jokic is complemented much better than in Denver, where he is surrounded by mediocrity excluding Milsap. Horford matches up with the best offensive big, and, as you say, "a huge counter to the best centers"

Second, even if there is a defensive liability with Jokic, the offensive combination of the three will much more than offset any deficit. If a team goes small, I will have a counter from my bench.

Third, the "Jokic is a terrible defender" is a popular, misguided and exaggerated take, where people fail to take a balanced look at stats and blame Jokic for Denver's defensive woes. He is, in fact, an average defender.

Player/ Year/ DRPM/ DRPM Rank among Centers

Jokic
....2018/+1.95/ 21rst
....2017/ +2.29/19th
....2016/ +3.61/ 4rth

Last 3 years Defensive +/-: +3.1 +2.3 +2.1



2018 DRPM has him above the likes of DeAndre, Dwight, M Gasol, Drummond, Adams, WCStein, etc.

If he is badly hurting his team on the floor, there is NO WAY he puts up these stats DRPM exposes the KATs Okafors & Kanters of the world

People see his playing close to the floor and assume that he is ineffective. He is an average defender.

If you have KAT in your top 3, you must be completely ignoring KAT's obviously pitiful defense.

KAT
....2018/.044/ 63rd
....2017/-1.41/ 68th
....2016/-0.22/ 49th
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KATs a better scorer and I think he can become a good defender eventually.

Jokic is just flat out awful on defense.
 
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