DeMar DeRozan ESPN interview

[JimLes]

Random, but maybe three years ago I saw Derozan's dad at the LAX post office. He was wearing a Raptors jersey and on the back it read 'DeRozan's Dad'.

And you're sure the guy didn't look this?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

He can afford to have a brand new kid anyway.

If anything... he will have more money now without the "family" money pit.

Everyone knows money = happiness.

 

[LogGrad98]

No, we're talking about things that have an emotional impact on people and if it's okay to feel sorry for someone based on them having a lot of money.

And yes, people dying is the cutoff for rich people.

I don't really care if they go through non life threatening circumstances that inconvenience their lifestyle.

I am kind of with Cy on this, although you can feel empathy on some level for anyone dealing with disappointment and being kicked out of their comfort zone. But when the difference is disappointment that you have to move out of your comfort zone and sell your $30 million mansion and then, dammit all to hell, go hunting for another $30 million mansion in a whole other city vs. the disappointment say for taking a risk on a job that requires a move to another city and might not pan out the way you hope leaving you and your family scrambling, well then I have 0 sympathy for the million-dollar house-hunter.

Worst case for DD? He has to move to his preferred city one day with his $150 million and find a new house. Worse case for Joe Schmo? Becomes homeless, maybe has to live with relatives to try to get back on his feet, hoping to hell he will have enough to retire on one day.

Not very comparable, is it?


[edit: to address the issue of money=happiness, well of course it doesn't, plenty of rich people commit suicide. However, in these given circtumstances (say a job change, like DD and my example above), money has a decided impact one way or the other. No money does not equal happiness, but it sure does ease the pain of some of life's most basic challenges.)

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

it's a business. It's clear you would never be successful running a business. If you want loyalty watch and follow college ball.

There is a relationship element to business... certainly there are cut throat assholes out there, who do bad stuff and say "it's business". Doesn't make them good or bad at running businesses.

I run a business and am very relationship driven... give more than is expected, give away financial considerations in cases where relationships are at risk... some call me a pushover, but my network is fiercely loyal and takes care of me.

I don't know what was said, but I bet DL would have done it differently. He has always been classy and built up a lot of social capital. It will be rewarded handsomely.

Guys like Ainge end up burning bridges... people will still do business with him because it isn't a perfectly efficient market, but all things being equal I think teams and FAs might look elsewhere... because he is so asset and business oriented.

Just my two cents.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Its better to lie to them tbh when regarding trades.

Depends... a deal was pretty close to completion from what I understand and the amount of loyalty he has showed deserved an acknowledgement in this case.

If it was another player maybe you just lie... it really depends on what was said... rather than lie I think I'd be vague but direct.

Like "some things are being discussed but we don't know what is going to happen... it is a low likelihood that anything major gets done" Follow it up with "we've been discussing everything with our recent plateau... we just want to get better".

 

[JimLes]

I hate when people talk about how teams and players need to make "business" decisions and leave emotions out of it. Isn't the whole reason this entire idea of professional sports exists emotions? If we all as fans made rational business decisions, not one of these guys would be a millionaire. There is nothing rational or business-like about sports fandom. "I gotta do what's best for me and my family. I mean, wouldn't you?" Really, ************? You think that spending all this money and time and energy and mostly getting an ulcer in return from watching the Jazz win 0 championships over the last 25 years was the best decision I could've made?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I am kind of with Cy on this, although you can feel empathy on some level for anyone dealing with disappointment and being kicked out of their comfort zone. But when the difference is disappointment that you have to move out of your comfort zone and sell your $30 million mansion and then, dammit all to hell, go hunting for another $30 million mansion in a whole other city vs. the disappointment say for taking a risk on a job that requires a move to another city and might not pan out the way you hope leaving you and your family scrambling, well then I have 0 sympathy for the million-dollar house-hunter.

Worst case for DD? He has to move to his preferred city one day with his $150 million and find a new house. Worse case for Joe Schmo? Becomes homeless, maybe has to live with relatives to try to get back on his feet, hoping to hell he will have enough to retire on one day.

Not very comparable, is it?


[edit: to address the issue of money=happiness, well of course it doesn't, plenty of rich people commit suicide. However, in these given circtumstances (say a job change, like DD and my example above), money has a decided impact one way or the other. No money does not equal happiness, but it sure does ease the pain of some of life's most basic challenges.)

If anyone wants to sympathize or empathize with them, that's cool.

My point is just that those who don't aren't being inhuman.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I hate when people talk about how teams and players need to make "business" decisions and leave emotions out of it. Isn't the whole reason this entire idea of professional sports exists emotions? If we all as fans made rational business decisions, not one of these guys would be a millionaire. There is nothing rational or business-like about sports fandom. "I gotta do what's best for me and my family. I mean, wouldn't you?" Really, ************? You think that spending all this money and time and energy and mostly getting an ulcer in return from watching the Jazz win 0 championships over the last 25 years was the best decision I could've made?

Business is emotional and filled with loyalty... its ironic when people pass cold things off as "business". There are decisions like layoffs that are cold, but those are outliers.

For example... I a situation where a company signed a contract and the day we started the CFO told me the owners changed their mind and went with a different competitor. He was clearly pissed at the owners... I had a signed agreement and could have absolutely pushed... I didn't because it would have put the CFO in a bad spot. It was not a small deal, but between the effort of pushing some legal action or getting some restitution and damaging relationships we just passed... guess who the CFO called when he moved companies (two thumbs pointing at me).

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If anyone wants to sympathize or empathize with them, that's cool.

My point is just that those who don't aren't being inhuman.

This is accurate... I don't really care that much.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Depends... a deal was pretty close to completion from what I understand and the amount of loyalty he has showed deserved an acknowledgement in this case.

If it was another player maybe you just lie... it really depends on what was said... rather than lie I think I'd be vague but direct.

Like "some things are being discussed but we don't know what is going to happen... it is a low likelihood that anything major gets done" Follow it up with "we've been discussing everything with our recent plateau... we just want to get better".

You tell him something is in the works, nothing happens then a week later a leak happens talking about how the Raptors were ready to pull the trigger but the Spurs backed out.

Now Demar is pissed. He might demand a trade.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

[edit: to address the issue of money=happiness, well of course it doesn't, plenty of rich people commit suicide. However, in these given circtumstances (say a job change, like DD and my example above), money has a decided impact one way or the other. No money does not equal happiness, but it sure does ease the pain of some of life's most basic challenges.)

My comment was sarcastic... some of the most miserable bastards I know are rich.

 

[JimLes]

There are different levels of sympathy and empathy. It's not all absolute. I feel bad when I wake up one of my cats, even though they sleep 23.5 hours a day and can go back to sleep in a second. I felt bad for Donovan because he didn't win ROY. I feel bad for my best friend because she just gave birth and lost her mother in a single weekend. It's not a competition. I can feel bad for all three but recognize that there are different degrees of severity here.