Supreme Court Justice Kennedy to Retire

[Stars Fan]

These accusations were a guaranteed win for Democrats, no matter the outcome of the confirmation.

I agree with your assessment, but I have to wonder if Kavanaugh's posture and combativeness was due to advice from Conservatives on how to act. And I agree that the Republicans have not treated this process correctly, but I also believe the Democrats have not acted in good faith, regardless of what has happened in the past. Feinstein can say this isn't political, but the entire process has been. The Garland nomination was a farce, but if Democrats are better than that (which they claimed to be during the Garland fiasco) then they wouldn't be hiding the ball like they have now and tried to delay.

I think the Republican's would have been better off asking questions themselves, but they were scared to do it. If anything, they should have found a good criminal defense attorney, not a prosecutor. A prosecutor that is used to asking hard questions to accused and protecting an accuser. This was a new experience for her.

As I have said before, I am truly disgusted by the way our representative's act. If Ford admitted she lied I guarantee that no Democrat Senator would vote to confirm Kavanaugh.

I also agree that Kavanaugh will be much more of a right wing Judge if he is appointed. I didn't love the pick in the first place. And even though I never thought Planned Parenthood v. Casey would be overturned in my lifetime, if he gets appointed now, he may hold enough of a grudge against Dems to push him in that direction (It is unfortunate that both our representatives and judicial system is predicated so much on politics, but it is what it is, even if it shouldn't be).

IAWTP

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[Stars Fan]

Except that people were very careful not to attack Dr. Ford... so it isn't the stereotype of the delusional structure you provided. Instead, the attacks were plainly targeted toward the democrats supposed political agenda/timing.

Yeah an outright attack is not a good look in the #metoo era. But the rest fits. The attacks were more nuanced, attacking her memory, questioning her fear of flying, questioning her motivation, etc..

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[Harambe]

I think there could be something to Ford's case, I just think there needs to be more evidence.

If you were a hiring manager, considering a candidate, and someone said "Hey.. that guy's a sexual predator and he's assaulted me before. Here's a timeline of when, corroborated in discussions about his past six years ago(before you were even considered him). Here's the results of a polygraph test I took, voluntarily, that I passed with flying colors. I don't think you should hire him." You consider; and decide you need to ask more questions. The job you'd be hiring him for is very much in the public eye. In the public eye, he's made himself look like an overly emotional, affluenzic fool that is being pissy over his job consideration taking so long. He interrupts people, degrades people, inferrs that there's a conspiracy in his speech.

Remember that you're not trying to convict him, you're trying to decide if he's capable of putting his emotions aside to act in the good of your company. There are other candidates out there that are just as qualified.

Would you hire this man?

 

[Stars Fan]

I think there could be something to Ford's case, I just think there needs to be more evidence.

I think there's truth to the fact that some of these boarding schools had a 'frat boy' culture where the boys would drink, act carelessly and act recklessly in the early 80s. Possibly there still is. Yale has several secret clubs where students involved may drink excessively and act in an elitist, crude or entitled way. Skull & Bones is only one of them. The problem for me is that the evidence against Kavanaugh never got past circumstantial and innuendo. Ford should have at least been able to identify the street or the neighborhood where the alleged incident took place.

I was struck by what a privileged upbringing these two witnesses had.

Hard to relate to folks born with the silver spoon in their mouths when the road gets rocky. Her experience was more sympathetic, plenty of people can relate. Hard to relate to Biff Kavanaugh though.

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[Ferguson_Mellochill]

OK a few of things:

1. I can recall certain painful moments in my life when I could clearly remember what happened, what time of day it was, where in the building I was in, etc, but not all the other details around it. I don't think the human mind is so powerful that you can remember EVERY-SINGLE-THING even when it's a traumatic & memorable event. Not unless you've got photographic memory.

2. What does Dr. Ford have to gain from doing this? She doesn't strike me as someone who has political aspirations. This thing is tearing her life and family apart and at least half of America will be against her for the remainder of her life. Whatever she could gain from this isn't worth all the trouble.

3. If the story you brought up about the 2 men who confessed to assaulting Dr. Ford that night was true - couple with Kavanaugh's innocence, why doesn't Kavanaugh call for the FBI investigation and clear his name once and for all instead of 'I'll do what the Committee asks me to'?

To me the fishiest thing here is Kavanaugh's reluctance for any further investigation.

1. This is one of the problems with reporting a crime from 35 years ago. No one's asking her to remember everything, but at least narrow down the neighborhood. Her friend could probably help narrow the list of houses to a relative handful where they used to go to parties. She knows the names of the people allegedly at the party. The house was very likely one of their homes. The two girls went to the party together and met three boys. So....was one of the houses the home of one of those three boys? Can you really not look up those addresses and figure out which home it was? This was the neighborhood where she grew up and went swimming all the time. These are obvious questions that a real defense attorney would ask.

2. Ford is a hero among democrats and feminists. She's raising a fair amount of money through her gofundme pages, and like Anita Hill, may go out on the speaking circuit. I'm not saying this is her motive--she clearly believes she was assaulted. However, her circle of friends seemed to be helping her reach out to the press with the intention of getting this story public in time to halt Kavanaugh. Her actions show that she wanted to go public.

3. If the FBI does an investigation, the aftermath may delay the confirmation process for several weeks. Kavanaugh will miss the October session, and I think that's why they're pushing for the vote to happen today. If the process drags on into November, the composition of the Senate and House will change.

 

[Stars Fan]

If you were a hiring manager, considering a candidate, and someone said "Hey.. that guy's a sexual predator and he's assaulted me before. Here's a timeline of when, corroborated in discussions about his past six years ago(before you were even considered him). Here's the results of a polygraph test I took, voluntarily, that I passed with flying colors. I don't think you should hire him." You consider; and decide you need to ask more questions. The job you'd be hiring him for is very much in the public eye. In the public eye, he's made himself look like an overly emotional, affluenzic fool that is being pissy over his job consideration taking so long. He interrupts people, degrades people, inferrs that there's a conspiracy in his speech.

Remember that you're not trying to convict him, you're trying to decide if he's capable of putting his emotions aside to act in the good of your company. There are other candidates out there that are just as qualified.

Would you hire this man?

Sigh.

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[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I was struck by what a privileged upbringing these two witnesses had.

Hard to relate to folks born with the silver spoon in their mouths when the road gets rocky. Her experience was more sympathetic, plenty of people can relate. Hard to relate to Biff Kavanaugh though.

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Some of these students at the elite Ivy League schools are told that they're the future leaders of our country. They're told this in boarding school. Everyone belonged to the country club and socialized. It's something of a class system.

 

[Zombie]

Who to believe...

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...8/kavanaugh-ford-question-dodge-hearing-chart

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

If you were a hiring manager, considering a candidate, and someone said "Hey.. that guy's a sexual predator and he's assaulted me before. Here's a timeline of when, corroborated in discussions about his past six years ago(before you were even considered him). Here's the results of a polygraph test I took, voluntarily, that I passed with flying colors. I don't think you should hire him." You consider; and decide you need to ask more questions. The job you'd be hiring him for is very much in the public eye. In the public eye, he's made himself look like an overly emotional, affluenzic fool that is being pissy over his job consideration taking so long. He interrupts people, degrades people, inferrs that there's a conspiracy in his speech.

Remember that you're not trying to convict him, you're trying to decide if he's capable of putting his emotions aside to act in the good of your company. There are other candidates out there that are just as qualified.

Would you hire this man?

It depends on the job he's being hired for. None of what you describe would show up in a criminal background check. I would confront him about it, but understanding that the allegation was from 35 years ago when he was 17 at a high school drinking party, I would probably leave it in the past. The question is whether this person is a heavy drinker, a womanizer and/or a violent person today. His track record in the past 10 years would suggest he's not.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

What about her civic duty to report a sexual predator to the police? If any of this was true....

Kavanaugh might have been a rowdy, drunk teen-ager 35 years ago. That doesn't make him a sexual predator today. The allegations against him may not qualify as sexual assault. The case against him is too weak to make that leap.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

But why would the dems do this? Couldn't the people who pick the supreme court judges just choose someone else that the democrats dont like instead?

If the nominee isn't confirmed before the November elections, the seat could remain open through the election in 2020. The Democrats are fighting for the SC with everything they've got. That's why the Repubs think Feinstein sat on the allegation for 45+ days so she could use it to draw the process out. Everything that happened yesterday could have taken place weeks ago during the normal confirmation process. Ford's allegation was put in play after the confirmation hearings had concluded.

 

[Harambe]

It depends on the job he's being hired for. None of what you describe would show up in a criminal background check. I would confront him about it, but understanding that the allegation was from 35 years ago when he was 17 at a high school drinking party, I would probably leave it in the past. The question is whether this person is a heavy drinker, a womanizer and/or a violent person today. His track record in the past 10 years would suggest he's not.

When you confronted him about it among stake holders, he through another fit.