Crowder's gotta go...

[Handlogten's Heros]

I really like Favors. I super appreciate what he’s done to deliver 1st-round victories the last two seasons (we don’t advance either time without him). But I hope we find good value for him and that both parties find greener pastures. We need a 4 that can stretch and put the ball on the floor to attack close outs. We’re limiting so many gains right now without this ingredient.

If we can’t find or pay for one of these players, then Jae should get the start and we’ll roll along with his skill set until the position can be upgraded.

OP Jr, pls

Does OP give like 85% of what we think Khris Middleton would give us? To remove the uncertainty of FA and focus on other areas of need I'd be willing to forfeit the cap space.

 

[NAOS]

Does OP give like 85% of what we think Khris Middleton would give us? To remove the uncertainty of FA and focus on other areas of need I'd be willing to forfeit free agency.

I’m really not prepared to compare OP jr and Middleton. In years past, I would have watched more of both on LP and had a decent (if limited) opinion. But my gut likes OP jr as much as Middleton... and might even hypothesize that his ceiling with us is higher. But you shouldn’t take my word for it.

Either would be a massive upgrade for the style that we seem destined to play. And either would likely give us the option of keeping Rubio, if that was best option available to us.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I’m really not prepared to compare OP jr and Middleton. In years past, I would have watched more of both on LP and had a decent (if limited) opinion. But my gut likes OP jr as much as Middleton... and might even hypothesize that his ceiling with us is higher. But you shouldn’t take my word for it.

Either would be a massive upgrade for the style that we seem destined to play. And either would likely give us the option of keeping Rubio, if that was best option available to us.

So my thought is we have a couple issues. Not enough shooting is one... two big style a contributing factor. The other is efficient offensive creation. I would love to see DM/Ricky paired with OP, Ingles, Rudy in the starting lineup and see if they can create more efficiently with space. If it works retain Ricky... if not find a better option in FA (with some maneuvering we could carve enough space after trading for OP Jr.).

I think the half season data point is important for the rest of our roster moves. I'm not sure Washington will move OP for just Favs and Thabo or Favs and Crowder, but if they dump him to Sacramento for expiring contracts on worse players I'll be disappointed. That's the only real suitor I see for OP that could offer big salary relief.

 

[jom2003]

So my thought is we have a couple issues. Not enough shooting is one... two big style a contributing factor. The other is efficient offensive creation. I would love to see DM/Ricky paired with OP, Ingles, Rudy in the starting lineup and see if they can create more efficiently with space. If it works retain Ricky... if not find a better option in FA (with some maneuvering we could carve enough space after trading for OP Jr.).

I think the half season data point is important for the rest of our roster moves. I'm not sure Washington will move OP for just Favs and Thabo or Favs and Crowder, but if they dump him to Sacramento for expiring contracts on worse players I'll be disappointed. That's the only real suitor I see for OP that could offer big salary relief.

shooting and efficient offensive creation... that's just about everything on the offensive end...

so the problem is simple: we need offense

 

[Miggs]

I don’t think we have enough to give up to get OP3. Expirings aren’t enough imo and any other assets we’d be willing to trade suck. Unless we trade one or two 1sts.

Is Favors, Exum and a 1st enough?

 

[jom2003]

He hasn't been an offensive liability since the korver trade

we have played way more than just the two home games against the spurs and rockets since the Korver trade. And he definitely has been an offensive liability in the majority of those games.

 

[Jingled]

I really like Favors. I super appreciate what he’s done to deliver 1st-round victories the last two seasons (we don’t advance either time without him). But I hope we find good value for him and that both parties find greener pastures. We need a 4 that can stretch and put the ball on the floor to attack close outs. We’re limiting so many gains right now without this ingredient.

If we can’t find or pay for one of these players, then Jae should get the start and we’ll roll along with his skill set until the position can be upgraded.

OP Jr, pls

Very well said. I completely agree with all of this.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

we have played way more than just the two home games against the spurs and rockets since the Korver trade. And he definitely has been an offensive liability in the majority of those games.

No he hasnt.

 

[Jazz4ever]

We got him for basically nothing (we weren't going to resign Hood). The team has way bigger issues than Jae Crowder.

 

[MDAV28]

The Jazz most used lineups are the starting 5 and starters with Jae at the 4. Both have positive net ratings. Starting lineup specifically has been lockdown defensively (sub 100 DRTG) that we need to hang our hat on. I think the emphasis on Faves and Jae as the problem is misplaced.

 

[Deleted member 5000]

11 Rebounds, 2 assist, 1 steal, 0 turnovers more than double the +/- of next highest player, 5/9 3 pt = 55.6 %

In a game we only won by 5 points

+/-
13 Jae
6 Joe
5 Exum
5 DM
3 Rudy

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

11 Rebounds, 2 assist, 1 steal, 0 turnovers more than double the +/- of next highest player, 5/9 3 pt = 55.6 %

In a game we only won by 5 points

+/-
13 Jae
6 Joe
5 Exum
5 DM
3 Rudy

The good thing about Jae is that even though his three has been hit and miss his overall FG % and FTR have improved this year.

I think he should start... I think we'd get good Jae more often... and we need good Jae more often.