2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

[LoPo]

If you compare Rubio and Rozier per 48 minutes per game at this season's numbers, Rubio gets twice as many assists but 3 times as many turnovers. Rozier gets twice as many rebounds. Rozier shoots better from 3.

So if you're asking me who is having the better year, despite the inconsistency Rozier is facing, you would say Rubio. But when you break it down, I think Rozier is playing as well as Rubio but is a better defender.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't think it's quite fair to use this year's stats for Rozier. Yes, he has been down, but that Boston team was a mess the first 6 weeks of the season. He got to start in the playoffs and he was awesome. Now that Kyrie is back, everyone has taken a massive step back and Rozier has gotten very inconsistent minutes. For example, most thought Tatum was on the verge of being a massive star, and his numbers have been underwhelming.

If somebody like our Utah Jazz gave Rozier the chance to start, I think we would benefit greatly. His strengths compliment Mitchell and Ingles very well on the offensive end. His defense will make Gobert's life easier on the defensive end.

I would never bring Rozier into a situation where he is asked to do too much. For us, he would be asked to defend, not turn the ball over, and provide some scoring when we are in a rut.

In a vacuum I see the case for Terry but he is pretty meh and we need more creation. He will get overpaid because he’s on a good team and had a good playoff run. Then you figure in the acquisition cost and I’m completely out... just not enough value.

Word on the street is Collison and Joseph might be available cus they want Holiday to get some burn. I’d rather take one of them if we need to make a change. The acquisition cost will be lower and you could retain one of those guys for half what Terry will get.

 

[LoPo]

In a vacuum I see the case for Terry but he is pretty meh and we need more creation. He will get overpaid because he’s on a good team and had a good playoff run. Then you figure in the acquisition cost and I’m completely out... just not enough value.

Word on the street is Collison and Joseph might be available cus they want Holiday to get some burn. I’d rather take one of them if we need to make a change. The acquisition cost will be lower and you could retain one of those guys for half what Terry will get.

#1 - I don't disagree with you
#2 - I think we only get rid of Rubio for a player with more potential

I think Jazz nation and Jazz players would throw a fit if we replaced Rubio with a guy like Collison or Joseph. I personally wouldn't be opposed to it because I worry about re-signing Rubio in the offseason for too much. If we replaced Rubio with Rozier, I think Jazz fans and Jazz players will see the potential there. Mitchell, although he loves Rubio, would probably embrace somebody like Rozier who lets Mitchell have the ball more.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

#1 - I don't disagree with you
#2 - I think we only get rid of Rubio for a player with more potential

I think Jazz nation and Jazz players would throw a fit if we replaced Rubio with a guy like Collison or Joseph. I personally wouldn't be opposed to it because I worry about re-signing Rubio in the offseason for too much. If we replaced Rubio with Rozier, I think Jazz fans and Jazz players will see the potential there. Mitchell, although he loves Rubio, would probably embrace somebody like Rozier who lets Mitchell have the ball more.

That's fair enough... I think Ricky runs hot and cold and is very divisive. Doubt Jazz nation would throw a fit.

 

[LoPo]

That's fair enough... I think Ricky runs hot and cold and is very divisive. Doubt Jazz nation would throw a fit.

For Cory Joseph, I think they might. I'm ready to move on from Rubio Saturday (12/15). And that's not because I don't like him. It's because I think we need to try new things and not rely on him so much. Plus, I think Phoenix is desperate for a PG and Rubio might actually get us something. If we wait until summer, we either settle by keeping him or we lose him for nothing.

 

[fishonjazz]

If you compare Rubio and Rozier per 48 minutes per game at this season's numbers, Rubio gets twice as many assists but 3 times as many turnovers. Rozier gets twice as many rebounds. Rozier shoots better from 3.

So if you're asking me who is having the better year, despite the inconsistency Rozier is facing, you would say Rubio. But when you break it down, I think Rozier is playing as well as Rubio but is a better defender.

Since I think Rubio sucks, telling me rozier is better than him doesn't really do much for me wanting rozier.

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[Diamond77]

I worry Quin appreciate Rubio's game very much and he will push to keep him.

 

[LoPo]

Since I think Rubio sucks, telling me rozier is better than him doesn't really do much for me wanting rozier.

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My statistical comparison is this year when everybody is saying that Rozier is playing so poorly. The fact that he is playing so poorly yet is so comparable to Rubio just tells you where we are at PG.

Regardless of the stats, Rozier's defense would be an addition by itself.

 

[LoPo]

Knicks sign Undrafted Trier. Now, they will need to move some salary to make max money available. I hope we are monitoring the availability of Hardaway, Dotson and Ntilikina.

"The cap space for New York in 2019-20 now projects to be $29.5M after the Allonzo Trier signing ($3.55M cap hit). The room takes into account: 1) All free agent cap holds renounced except for Kristaps Porzingis 2) Waiving the non-guaranteed contract of Lance Thomas 3) Their own first round pick. The projected max for a player with 7-9 years of service like Kyrie Irving is $32.7M and for 10+ years like Kevin Durant $38.15M."

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[campaignist]

Knicks sign Undrafted Trier. Now, they will need to move some salary to make max money available. I hope we are monitoring the availability of Hardaway, Dotson and Ntilikina.

"The cap space for New York in 2019-20 now projects to be $29.5M after the Allonzo Trier signing ($3.55M cap hit). The room takes into account: 1) All free agent cap holds renounced except for Kristaps Porzingis 2) Waiving the non-guaranteed contract of Lance Thomas 3) Their own first round pick. The projected max for a player with 7-9 years of service like Kyrie Irving is $32.7M and for 10+ years like Kevin Durant $38.15M."

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I'm open to the idea of Hardaway, he could potentially be a good compliment to Mitchell/Exum. His contract is really hefty though; not sure he's worth it, or the best fit for the money.

However, if there's a way to convince them to dump some players in order to clear some space for Durant/Irving/etc. then that's a little more compelling.
1, on the off chance Durant goes there, that's a huge blow to GS and one less MVP in the west. 2, I seriously doubt any of these mega teams in LA, Clippers, NY, etc come to fruition, so if we can wet our beaks before then, why not?

 

[LoPo]

I'm open to the idea of Hardaway, he could potentially be a good compliment to Mitchell/Exum. His contract is really hefty though; not sure he's worth it, or the best fit for the money.

However, if there's a way to convince them to dump some players in order to clear some space for Durant/Irving/etc. then that's a little more compelling.
1, on the off chance Durant goes there, that's a huge blow to GS and one less MVP in the west. 2, I seriously doubt any of these mega teams in LA, Clippers, NY, etc come to fruition, so if we can wet our beaks before then, why not?

I like Hardaway and I like Ntilikina. I think Mitchell would be ecstatic if we got Frank.

If I'm NY, I try to trade Frank and Hardaway for expirings and draft compensation. They need to dump Lee too if they can. It is conceivable that they pursue KD and Kemba to go with KP and somebody like Zion. They would have Dotson, Trier and Knox too.

The Knicks are very, very fascinating right now. For the first time in a long time, they seem to be on the right path.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

I like Hardaway and I like Ntilikina. I think Mitchell would be ecstatic if we got Frank.

If I'm NY, I try to trade Frank and Hardaway for expirings and draft compensation. They need to dump Lee too if they can. It is conceivable that they pursue KD and Kemba to go with KP and somebody like Zion. They would have Dotson, Trier and Knox too.

The Knicks are very, very fascinating right now. For the first time in a long time, they seem to be on the right path.

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They can't carve out enough to get both KD, Kemba, and retain KP's caphold. They would have to gut knox and likely their pick too. Need $72M in space... cap is $109 KP caphold is like $17M... keeping Knox and the pick is like 9.5M on the low end. Noah waive and stretch is 6.3M so that is $104-105M... seven capholds is another 6.3M

They'd have to go down to nothing... if the land a top 3 pick it gets even harder.