3 way trade for Gobert

[LoPo]

Guys don't stay forever... getting Rudy and DM is the hardest thing to do... you got the all stars. Now every damn move needs to be with those two in mind and maximizing what they can give us. If you have a slightly bad deal with Rudy to keep things together thats okay. Supermax aint it for him. Our best shot with DM is keeping Rudy and going for it the next 3-4 years. It has a small chance of yielding a title... unfortunately that is the breaks in the NBA you don't have great title odds unless you get Lebron.

If Rudy doesn't want to re-sign then we can move him... Until then I ain't gonna entertain these types of trades.

I agree that getting guys of the caliber of Rudy and Donovan are the hardest thing to do. The problem is, Rudy and Donovan are not equipped to lead a team to a title. They don't exactly fit perfectly together unless the supporting cast is perfectly assembled around them. In many ways, they are like Billups and Wallace. They were also both 2nd level stars who had the perfect compliments with Tayshaun, Rip, Sheed and others. Well, our FO has screwed up in assembling the cast around them. Crowder was more important Conley. We let Crowder AND 2 1st rounders AND $25+million go so we can add a poorer fit in Conley.

Conley, Bogey, Joe and Royce are simply inadequate. We need so much more. So we either
A - find the absolute perfect guy with the MLE who fits our gap of athletic/shooting/defending SF/PF
or
B - trade Rudy while he still has such high value and shoot for a title run in a couple years

We aren't contenders. I don't believe that we are. We lost Hayward for nothing and came back stronger. We can lose Gobert for assets and do the same.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I agree that getting guys of the caliber of Rudy and Donovan are the hardest thing to do. The problem is, Rudy and Donovan are not equipped to lead a team to a title. They don't exactly fit perfectly together unless the supporting cast is perfectly assembled around them. In many ways, they are like Billups and Wallace. They were also both 2nd level stars who had the perfect compliments with Tayshaun, Rip, Sheed and others. Well, our FO has screwed up in assembling the cast around them. Crowder was more important Conley. We let Crowder AND 2 1st rounders AND $25+million go so we can add a poorer fit in Conley.

Conley, Bogey, Joe and Royce are simply inadequate. We need so much more. So we either
A - find the absolute perfect guy with the MLE who fits our gap of athletic/shooting/defending SF/PF
or
B - trade Rudy while he still has such high value and shoot for a title run in a couple years

We aren't contenders. I don't believe that we are. We lost Hayward for nothing and came back stronger. We can lose Gobert for assets and do the same.

Rudy and DM fit quite well. We have some good pieces around them. We have not tried everything we can to make them the most effective players they can be.

I also think with the attack on the big man that his trade value will net you pieces of Meh and not anything that really changes the trajectory long term unless you hit big on a pick.

We can still move Conley and there are other moves that can improve the depth pieces. If DM takes a major leap in development we can get in the title convo. If that happened and you moved Rudy to take a step back and build for the future then we could miss on the title window for a grab bag of potential.

If Boston wants to send Jaylen Brown we can talk... they won't though.

 

[LoPo]

Rudy and DM fit quite well. We have some good pieces around them. We have not tried everything we can to make them the most effective players they can be.

I also think with the attack on the big man that his trade value will net you pieces of Meh and not anything that really changes the trajectory long term unless you hit big on a pick.

We can still move Conley and there are other moves that can improve the depth pieces. If DM takes a major leap in development we can get in the title convo. If that happened and you moved Rudy to take a step back and build for the future then we could miss on the title window for a grab bag of potential.

If Boston wants to send Jaylen Brown we can talk... they won't though.

I don't like this particular trade, but I do think trading Rudy is the way to go. I think Rudy is at his absolute best right now. He's at his peak. His value is at an all time high. At 30+, he's going to be sought out on the court even more by elite teams and athletes on those teams. And if he's making $30+, his limitations and drain on the cap will drive Donovan into insanity to the point where he might want out.

Sure, I'd love to trade Conley for better value, but that's going to be so difficult if the cap is flat.

 

[Cptgrnlngs22]

Just read an article suggesting a trade with the pistons

Jazz get: Griffin and Rose
Pistons get: Conley #23 and 2021 2nd rnd pick

That trade may put us into contention if the jazz are really trying to go all in.

Rose
Mitchell
Bogdonavic
Griffin
Gobert

Clarkson
O’Neal
Ingles
(????)


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[LoPo]

Just read an article suggesting a trade with the pistons

Jazz get: Griffin and Rose
Pistons get: Conley #23 and 2021 2nd rnd pick

That trade may put us into contention if the jazz are really trying to go all in.

Rose
Mitchell
Bogdonavic
Griffin
Gobert

Clarkson
O’Neal
Ingles
(????)


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I'm on record saying that I like the idea of pursuing Griffin. I think he fits us so, so well if Don is our PG. He's another guy who can handle the ball and initiate offense.

As for this trade, I don't think Rose or the #23 pick are necessary. I would actually contend that we should get an asset back if we trade Conley for Griffin.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't like this particular trade, but I do think trading Rudy is the way to go. I think Rudy is at his absolute best right now. He's at his peak. His value is at an all time high. At 30+, he's going to be sought out on the court even more by elite teams and athletes on those teams. And if he's making $30+, his limitations and drain on the cap will drive Donovan into insanity to the point where he might want out.

Sure, I'd love to trade Conley for better value, but that's going to be so difficult if the cap is flat.

He's at his peak but we don't know how long that can extend. He might be a peak guy over the whole life of the deal. The trades that I think are actually out there might be pretty terrible. I expect DM to be here through most of his next extension, but it might be better for both us and him to move on towards the end of that deal. I think the chance that a guys stays 12-15 years in today's NBA is small.

Rudy isn't untradeable once he signs his extension... assuming it isn't the supermax. If it doesn't work well the next year there will be teams that missed their FA mark and might put in serious assets to get something done.

I also don't think we've done a ton to really adjust and help Rudy be successful. What if we make an adjustment and use some zone defense and it turns out having a rim protector live at the rim becomes really effective? We haven't tried enough around these guys just punt and get rid of one of them. Part of the reason we haven't adjusted is that a lot of the stuff has worked to a good degree. We now need to be a bit more flexible in our approach with an eye towards the postseason.

 

[latin jazz]

Just read an article suggesting a trade with the pistons

Jazz get: Griffin and Rose
Pistons get: Conley #23 and 2021 2nd rnd pick

That trade may put us into contention if the jazz are really trying to go all in.

Rose
Mitchell
Bogdonavic
Griffin
Gobert

Clarkson
O’Neal
Ingles
(????)


Sent from my iPhone using JazzFanz mobile app

You forget we already traded for Rose. We waved him. We didn't like him, he didn't like us. Terrible fit for our system.

Griffin is almost done and spends more time injured than on the court. Bad fit four Q's system too.

That trade will put us into the lottery instead of contention

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

the way finals teams have come together the last few years I'm comfortable keeping Rudy and DM and configuring the pieces around them. If we take a conservative approach to the draft and FA then it likely won't be successful. We need to take some chances on young FAs with upside and find some gems in the draft or with undrafted guys.

Miami came together in a weird environment but had some guys really pop... Toronto too. We have as good a chance at finding lightening in a bottle the next few years as you could probably hope for. Trading Rudy might be a measured approach and might make us younger but I don't think pushing the window out gives you a much better chance at title when/if those players develop. We have to get lucky with a couple additions... most teams need a fair amount of luck to win a title.

If it doesn't work then in 3-4 years you do the full pivot and get a huge jumpstart by moving on from DM, Rudy, and you embark on the process.

 

[latin jazz]

He's at his peak but we don't know how long that can extend. He might be a peak guy over the whole life of the deal. The trades that I think are actually out there might be pretty terrible. I expect DM to be here through most of his next extension, but it might be better for both us and him to move on towards the end of that deal. I think the chance that a guys stays 12-15 years in today's NBA is small.

Rudy isn't untradeable once he signs his extension... assuming it isn't the supermax. If it doesn't work well the next year there will be teams that missed their FA mark and might put in serious assets to get something done.

I also don't think we've done a ton to really adjust and help Rudy be successful. What if we make an adjustment and use some zone defense and it turns out having a rim protector live at the rim becomes really effective? We haven't tried enough around these guys just punt and get rid of one of them. Part of the reason we haven't adjusted is that a lot of the stuff has worked to a good degree. We now need to be a bit more flexible in our approach with an eye towards the postseason.

Yeah, at around 30-35M a year, there will be plenty of teams willing to trade for an All NBA center, DPOY in his prime. I don't get why people want to trade him now.

I say, improve the team now, give it a go for the next 2-3. Blow it up if it doesn't work by then. Windows are pretty short in today's NBA and you must go all in if you have a superstar in your roster. You might be one Anthony Davis twisted ankle away from reaching the finals.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Say we hit on a draft pick this year on a Pascal Siakham, Malcom Brognon, or even just on a Derrick White, OG Anunoby, Josh Hart type of level. You then either have a great rotation piece that raises the ceiling of the team or a solid trade piece to help get a win now piece.

Say you hit on a value FA addition... you go get Jordan McLaughlin and he turns out to be the second coming of Van Vleet... then you are in the money and right there.

Conley is also a trade piece. If you take on a bad contract what else can you get... can that contract recover some value and be an asset like CP did for OKC?

There are a lot of options outside of trading Rudy... it isn't off the table but I'm saving that chip for much later in the game (unless he won't sign a reasonable extension).

 

[LoPo]

the way finals teams have come together the last few years I'm comfortable keeping Rudy and DM and configuring the pieces around them. If we take a conservative approach to the draft and FA then it likely won't be successful. We need to take some chances on young FAs with upside and find some gems in the draft or with undrafted guys.

Miami came together in a weird environment but had some guys really pop... Toronto too. We have as good a chance at finding lightening in a bottle the next few years as you could probably hope for. Trading Rudy might be a measured approach and might make us younger but I don't think pushing the window out gives you a much better chance at title when/if those players develop. We have to get lucky with a couple additions... most teams need a fair amount of luck to win a title.

If it doesn't work then in 3-4 years you do the full pivot and get a huge jumpstart by moving on from DM, Rudy, and you embark on the process.

Toronto added Kawhi.
Lakers added AD.
Miami added Jimmy.

We added freaking Mike Conley.

Now if you were advocating trading Conley for assets, I'm all ears. To assume that we can add some All Star level to Rudy and DM, that's so incredibly unlikely.

 

[LoPo]

Yeah, at around 30-35M a year, there will be plenty of teams willing to trade for an All NBA center, DPOY in his prime. I don't get why people want to trade him now.

I say, improve the team now, give it a go for the next 2-3. Blow it up if it doesn't work by then. Windows are pretty short in today's NBA and you must go all in if you have a superstar in your roster. You might be one Anthony Davis twisted ankle away from reaching the finals.

I don't think many teams will be lined up to trade for Rudy when he's 30 or older making $30+. Remember, his extension means we aren't trading him until trade deadline in 2022 at the earliest. And if we're trading him, it's because it isn't working and we are probably not doing very well as a team. At that point, Rudy has lower value and 3 more massive years on his deal. Just think Kevin Love who Cleveland can't even get a 1st for.

There is such a void this offseason of top end talent. The best names on the market are through trade. The free agent list is a joke. Oladipo, Hayward, Rose, and Chris Paul are the biggest players available. If we made Rudy available, I think we could get a very, very good deal. He would be the best player available. Teams like NY, Atlanta and others might jump at the chance to get him. Those teams have loads of assets.