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[jom2003]

Rudy and DM fit quite well. We have some good pieces around them. We have not tried everything we can to make them the most effective players they can be.

I also think with the attack on the big man that his trade value will net you pieces of Meh and not anything that really changes the trajectory long term unless you hit big on a pick.

We can still move Conley and there are other moves that can improve the depth pieces. If DM takes a major leap in development we can get in the title convo. If that happened and you moved Rudy to take a step back and build for the future then we could miss on the title window for a grab bag of potential.

If Boston wants to send Jaylen Brown we can talk... they won't though.

DM scoring number goes up every season by 2-3 points/100poss when he's playing without rudy on the floor, so offensively i don't think they fit that well together.

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AND we have already tried everything to help maximize their talent but we FAILED. now we are running superlow on pieces AND assets, which is not a position you wanna be in.

you can have your bench filled with scrubs (with room for improvement), OR owing multiple draft picks to several teams(as long as you get rotational pieces that fill your bench in return). But it's tough to be both. we ARE in both.

it's a smaller version of billy king nets in which we don't have enough rotational players, neither do we have enough assets available to acquire any more pieces. If JC sign with some other teams, we are toast. MLE/23rd pick simply won't get you enough help to this current bench of bradley, davis, niang and morgan. we are probably still gonna be playing royce 35 min a night while riding on what is now a 6-man-rotation. You can still hope for a Conley trade that is unlikely to happen, but in the end it is the franchise player that you'd have to move for you to get out of this rabbit hole, like when Brooklyn deal away Brook Lopez in 2017.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Utah has one 1st round pick and one 2nd round pick (I should say two, but they have one coming in as well, so net -1, and even then I should say they are a net positive because the one they have coming in will likely be a high 30's/low 40's pick, which is much more valuable than the 50+ slot they are giving up when they trade their own, of which are easily bought every year) going out and y'all act like they are in some huge asset hole. They arent.

The Jazz got dudes with value outside their two stars. Bogey is easily tradeable for multiple assets. Royce is tradeable. Ingles is tradeable. Conley is tradeable.

The Jazz don't have a single contract outside of Ed Davis that would cost anything to unload.

Should we be trading? Not in my opinion. This team is really ****ing good and should only be better next year. Of course if there is something out there that improves the team, go for it, but I dont think the team should be looking at trades that negatively impact the present for a low % shot at a better future.

 

[TheGoldStandard]

This team with a healthy Bogey is still very good (keep in mind he was playing with a hurt wrist (which explains his drop off in shot %. I think if we move Conley to the bench, it opens up a lot for this team. No need to blow up unless, as others have suggested, Rudy demand the super max or a trade. I'd also like to see some more sets to complement our players. Snyder's sets aren't my favorite by any means, but at least put in some other sets to mix things up. I don't love Griffin, I think he is weak mentally, but I think Snyder could get him inline, and Rudy can help cover some of his defensive lapses. Hell, getting rid of Conley would be addition by subtraction.

 

[LoPo]

This team with a healthy Bogey is still very good (keep in mind he was playing with a hurt wrist (which explains his drop off in shot %. I think if we move Conley to the bench, it opens up a lot for this team. No need to blow up unless, as others have suggested, Rudy demand the super max or a trade. I'd also like to see some more sets to complement our players. Snyder's sets aren't my favorite by any means, but at least put in some other sets to mix things up. I don't love Griffin, I think he is weak mentally, but I think Snyder could get him inline, and Rudy can help cover some of his defensive lapses. Hell, getting rid of Conley would be addition by subtraction.

I think the next 2 years of the NBA is going to be an absolute mess. COVID. Finances. Unprecedented limitations for fans and access. It's a bad time to lock ourselves into a roster that simply doesn't have enough. It would be different if we were younger or had assets. But Rudy, Conley, Bogey, Joe and Royce are due so much money. That's not counting our long term superstar Don who is set to be paid.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think the next 2 years of the NBA is going to be an absolute mess. COVID. Finances. Unprecedented limitations for fans and access. It's a bad time to lock ourselves into a roster that simply doesn't have enough. It would be different if we were younger or had assets. But Rudy, Conley, Bogey, Joe and Royce are due so much money. That's not counting our long term superstar Don who is set to be paid.

If anything the NBA being a mess means Utah is at a greater advantage with a mostly set roster with continuity...

 

[LoPo]

If anything the NBA being a mess means Utah is at a greater advantage with a mostly set roster with continuity...

A roster that can't get out of the first round? A roster that's looking like $130 million before Conley for 21-22?

And how can you say continuity? Bogey was added this year, but missed the playoffs. Conley was added this year, but missed a lot of games (and we actually played better). Clarkson was added midyear, and he struggled when we needed him in the playoffs.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

A roster that can't get out of the first round? A roster that's looking like $130 million before Conley for 21-22?

And how can you say continuity? Bogey was added this year, but missed the playoffs. Conley was added this year, but missed a lot of games (and we actually played better). Clarkson was added midyear, and he struggled when we needed him in the playoffs.

Yes, keeping those players means you have continuity genius. I didnt say they had continuity last year. Last year was a transition year and this year they will get the benefits of continuity (fingers crossed JC is able to be brought back of course). Hopefully they can upgrade the margins of the roster with the draft, free agency, and internal improvement from Morgan/Oni.

And how in the hell did Jordan Clarkson struggle? What grass you smoking? The dude put up an efficient 17 ppg from the bench. And that was with an overstretched scoring load on him because of the Bogey injury.

You really have to stop speaking out your ***.

 

[LoPo]

Yes, keeping those players means you have continuity genius. I didnt say they had continuity last year. Last year was a transition year and this year they will get the benefits of continuity (fingers crossed JC is able to be brought back of course). Hopefully they can upgrade the margins of the roster with the draft, free agency, and internal improvement from Morgan/Oni.

And how in the hell did Jordan Clarkson struggle? What grass you smoking? The dude put up an efficient 17 ppg from the bench. And that was with an overstretched scoring load on him because of the Bogey injury.

You really have to stop speaking out your ***.

Oh okay. So you're using "continuity" as an excuse to keep the team together although the current starting lineup has played zero playoff games together. And we still can't even decide who our starting PG is. Or if Joe should start or come off the bench. But yeah, continuity.

There you go again going off of total ppg for the playoffs. What's next, you're going to brag about Conley because he had his one or two great games out of 5? JC and Conley did not make enough of a positive impact in games 5, 6 and 7.

But hey, we got your continuity to hang our hat on....

 

[cowhide]

Trying to trade him because he stopped developing offensively and is turning into a Kirilinko head case who also wants a super max.

well you may think he is an AK headcase but he hasn't stop working on his game. The only reason we had a chance to win the seventh game down the stretch was because of Rudy. Jazz need to add length and athleticism on our roster. Guys like Morgan, Giang, etc should be getting mop up minutes. It was painfully obvious that are PF is horrible. In the Denver game if the Jazz were able to rebound the series would have been over in 5.

 

[cowhide]

Yes, keeping those players means you have continuity genius. I didnt say they had continuity last year. Last year was a transition year and this year they will get the benefits of continuity (fingers crossed JC is able to be brought back of course). Hopefully they can upgrade the margins of the roster with the draft, free agency, and internal improvement from Morgan/Oni.

And how in the hell did Jordan Clarkson struggle? What grass you smoking? The dude put up an efficient 17 ppg from the bench. And that was with an overstretched scoring load on him because of the Bogey injury.

You really have to stop speaking out your ***.

Clarkson did struggle in a few of the playoff games especially in the 7th game. However, I agree to say he struggled a lot is a bunch a crap. He saved us a lot of times. I want him back because without him the Jazz have no one on the bench who can score.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Oh okay. So you're using "continuity" as an excuse to keep the team together although the current starting lineup has played zero playoff games together. And we still can't even decide who our starting PG is. Or if Joe should start or come off the bench. But yeah, continuity.

There you go again going off of total ppg for the playoffs. What's next, you're going to brag about Conley because he had his one or two great games out of 5? JC and Conley did not make enough of a positive impact in games 5, 6 and 7.

But hey, we got your continuity to hang our hat on....

You really refuse to just admit you are talking out your *** and just double down lmfao. You nitpicking the **** out of what "continuity" is looks really dumb. Even if you want to get super precise with starting/bench, the team is going to a continuity advantage this year over last year.

What in the hell were you expecting from Jordan Clarkson again? He's a 6th man scorer. He scored an efficient 17 ppg. He doesnt need to have a great game every game of a 7 game series to have a successful/good series. He did his job and he did it well.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Clarkson did struggle in a few of the playoff games especially in the 7th game. However, I agree to say he struggled a lot is a bunch a crap. He saved us a lot of times. I want him back because without him the Jazz have no one on the bench who can score.

What kind of expectations should we have towards the 6th man? He greatly outperformed a guy like Lou Williams in his series vs Denver. Saying he struggled in the series is just a flat out mistruth. It's just the continuous stream of negative BS Lopo spouts about this roster to try and further his "the Jazz need to trade and shake it up" narrative.