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I Don't Want Clarkson Back

NUMBERICA said:
Anyway, re-signing JC ain't do or die for me, but he was critical to the Jazz even making the playoffs this year and that shouldn't be dismissed or discounted. Scorers that are fine coming off the bench fill a real role, and he could be good ballast in a future trade.

A lot of his value hinges on what happens with Conley or if we draft a PG like Maledon this year. If we're on the path to Conley walking (I think we are) and aren't drafting a promising guard (I don't think we are), then I think keeping JC is pretty important.

If we could've agreed to a re-negotiated deal + extension with Conley AND we knew Conley was fine coming off the bench, I'd be good walking on JC. That isn't what happened.
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this is spot on for me... will add to it though -

JC/Conley/DM has some redundancy and similar weaknesses. Having them all is a bit of a luxury that is fine if you don't have other needs. JC's deal will prevent us from using the MLE if he is retained. He has his weaknesses but he's a more efficient scorer than Mike and does it on greater volume and will cost 1/3 the price.

Mike is more balanced but he should be a super sub... something either he doesn't believe or jazz management doesn't. Please spare me the bubble Mike or he wasn't healthy or blah blah blah... he isn't nearly the fit we thought he was and has likely declined. He had a good shooting stint and a good playoff... Ricky also had a better shooting stint and better numbers over the same period... so guys can ebb and flow. Expecting Bubble Mike or post AS Mike is unreasonable. He will likely have some nagging injuries this year too.

So I agree with the take in that I think Mike or JC could be used for more value and could be used to balance the roster... I just think it should be Mike not JC... especially since Mike is out next year and could be traded for something more impactful.
 
So we're going to go back to pre-Christmas 2019 when The Jazz bench scored 8 to 11 points a night and Holiday is going to make it all back on defense with a 5 man set that includes Conley, Niang, Bradley/Morgan and an aging Ingles?

Also he's about to be on his seventh team in seven years - maybe possibly an issue there?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
this is spot on for me... will add to it though -

JC/Conley/DM has some redundancy and similar weaknesses. Having them all is a bit of a luxury that is fine if you don't have other needs. JC's deal will prevent us from using the MLE if he is retained. He has his weaknesses but he's a more efficient scorer than Mike and does it on greater volume and will cost 1/3 the price.

Mike is more balanced but he should be a super sub... something either he doesn't believe or jazz management doesn't. Please spare me the bubble Mike or he wasn't healthy or blah blah blah... he isn't nearly the fit we thought he was and has likely declined. He had a good shooting stint and a good playoff... Ricky also had a better shooting stint and better numbers over the same period... so guys can ebb and flow. Expecting Bubble Mike or post AS Mike is unreasonable. He will likely have some nagging injuries this year too.

So I agree with the take in that I think Mike or JC could be used for more value and could be used to balance the roster... I just think it should be Mike not JC... especially since Mike is out next year and could be traded for something more impactful.
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On what Earth is JC far more efficient scorer than Conley?

He was barely more efficient this year. For their careers Conley is the more efficient scorer. Next year Conley will be the more efficient scorer.
 
FAILED STATE said:
Don’t we have his Birds Rights? If so, sign him and his replacement and work out a trade at the deadline.
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Clarkson's gonna have value and having superfluous NBA talent is a GOOD thing since we're gonna only have trades and late draft picks to get better.

Furthermore, this is THE year to get a team-friendly deal that increases the market-value on a player down the road.
 
I just think the odds that Clarkson re-signs on a good deal on good years are much, much higher than Conley doing so after next year, and we need at least one of them.

Also, Conley's ****ing old and tiny, y'all. Let's just be very real about that.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
On what Earth is JC far more efficient scorer than Conley?

He was barely more efficient this year. For their careers Conley is the more efficient scorer. Next year Conley will be the more efficient scorer.
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On this earth... You just ****ing said it! I give zero effs what Conley has done over his entire career. JC is in his prime and Mike is on the backside or end of his career.

This year TS% for JC with Utah - 56.9% Mike was 53.7%

Scoring per36 - 23 for JC 18 for Mike

Mike is well rounded and a better creator but you don't get extra beauty points for getting points within the system. Jordan doesn't really miss games either... and he will cost like $20-25M less this year.

Even the Warriors needed KD to deviate from the beautiful game sometimes to just get a ****ing bucket. JC does it in iso and is a one man bench scoring unit, but some defense and shooting around him and play him 24 minutes a night and its worth 10M a year.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I just think the odds that Clarkson re-signs on a good deal on good years are much, much higher than Conley doing so after next year, and we need at least one of them.

Also, Conley's ****ing old and tiny, y'all. Let's just be very real about that.
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If he struggles it will be because (insert body part) is bothering him... RELAX HE"S MIKE EFFING CONLEY!!!!!

Its okay to say "**** that trade didn't work like I wanted it to... maybe we should pivot".

If we let JC walk and keep Mike and still start him it will compound the problem.

Also, JC didn't keep us afloat when Bojan was out... he kept us afloat when MIKE was out. The starting lineup didn't suffer at all with Mike out... IDK what does that say?
 
FAILED STATE said:
You know whenever someone is quadrupling down on Conley’s career stats that there’s a good lol to be had.
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Or when they cut it to a 15 game sample when he started making shots and say "see he just needed time". Or its that you can limit the sample size and make players look how you want. Again, Ricky had better shooting splits and raw numbers over the same period of time.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
On this earth... You just ****ing said it! I give zero effs what Conley has done over his entire career. JC is in his prime and Mike is on the backside or end of his career.

This year TS% for JC with Utah - 56.9% Mike was 53.7%

Scoring per36 - 23 for JC 18 for Mike

Mike is well rounded and a better creator but you don't get extra beauty points for getting points within the system. Jordan doesn't really miss games either... and he will cost like $20-25M less this year.

Even the Warriors needed KD to deviate from the beautiful game sometimes to just get a ****ing bucket. JC does it in iso and is a one man bench scoring unit, but some defense and shooting around him and play him 24 minutes a night and its worth 10M a year.
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You actually do get more points for being within the system, it's called making your teammates better and is a huge part of winning basketball.
 
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