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On the radar: 2012 Draft Class

jazzfan1132 said:
ok let me know, GS pick is 7 protected is that means if GS is 7th worst team (2012 season) we won't get their pick?

and what if there will be no season at all?
and what about minnesota pick

please make it clear for me.
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First of all, no one knows how they'll structure the draft if there's no season, but I would think that no matter how they do it if GS has the 8th pick or worse, then we get it. As far as the Minnesota pick, it's lottery protected (14).

Going back to the GS pick, people forget about the lottery, so if there is a season, technically they can have the 5th worst record and we could still get their pick, but it would be highly unlikely as 3 teams would have to jump them at the lottery.
 
PKM said:
Wow. Great question. Most here would say Burks, hands down. I don't think it's that easy though. Austin needs to show that he can be a TEAM player this year. Needs to prove he's not deathly allergic to passing. The casual fan believes Austin is a lights out shooter, but it's a myth, he's a volume (albeit inefficient) scorer with a sub 35% perimiter shooter against high school defenders.

Having said that, to the casual basketball fan he's a lot of fun to watch play the game and IF he greatly improves on those above-mentioned areas he'll be a ticket seller and instant offense.

Cue Numberica to correct me and say the kid is simply garbage .. which would be true if he remains as-is.
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Question: Is it possible to be a volume scorer when you're shooting 51%? Yeah, he shot the ball a lot. He made his shots a lot. His team wasn't exactly that good, he's a playmaker, give him the ball and he can make something happen. He's not deathly allergic to passing, in fact, he's a pretty damn good passer. Also, any casual fan that thinks he's a lights out shooter is at least halfway correct. He's not a good 3-point shooter....yet. He shot 32% from 3. He shot 66% from 2. 66% is pretty lights out IMO. If there's any coach that can turn him into a team player, it's Coach K. He's in the right place, I wouldn't worry too much.
 
so we still have a chance to draft quality player,
this year draft look quite strong because of lockout. Guys like Rivers, Gilchrist, Lamb, QMiller, TJones seem to be avaiable.
 
Hantlers said:
Question: Is it possible to be a volume scorer when you're shooting 51%? Yeah, he shot the ball a lot. He made his shots a lot. His team wasn't exactly that good, he's a playmaker, give him the ball and he can make something happen. He's not deathly allergic to passing, in fact, he's a pretty damn good passer. Also, any casual fan that thinks he's a lights out shooter is at least halfway correct. He's not a good 3-point shooter....yet. He shot 32% from 3. He shot 66% from 2. 66% is pretty lights out IMO. If there's any coach that can turn him into a team player, it's Coach K. He's in the right place, I wouldn't worry too much.
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I've been the one more supporting Rivers on this board when others call him garbage, just for the record. Having said that, what have you seen of Rivers that would indicate he's a pretty good passer? I'm sure he can be .. but I've never seen him actually do it. What I have seen is him driving recklessly into the lane, drawing multiple defenders and putting up a circus shot rather than passing to an open man.

I'll engage a little bit on this topic, but I have no real passion for it one way or the other .. just calling it as I've seen it.
 
PKM said:
I've been the one more supporting Rivers on this board when others call him garbage, just for the record. Having said that, what have you seen of Rivers that would indicate he's a pretty good passer? I'm sure he can be .. but I've never seen him actually do it. What I have seen is him driving recklessly into the lane, drawing multiple defenders and putting up a circus shot rather than passing to an open man.

I'll engage a little bit on this topic, but I have no real passion for it one way or the other .. just calling it as I've seen it.
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Watching him play against China and some scrimmages. Yes, he still has a tendency to drive recklessly into the lane and put up a stupid shot, but he's breaking that habit. He has very good ball skills, and he is a very smart player. He just has to break the habit of being a one person team like he has for several years. As for his NBA prospects, I'm still a bit hazy on that. He doesn't really have prototypical 2-guard size and I don't think he can play PG in the League. For a college player, he'll do very well. Curious as to your thoughts on the volume shooting, not trying to pick a fight, just curious on your thoughts on the stuff I said. Like I said, I'm not trying to pick a fight, but don't say things if you can't back them up....just calling it as I see it.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Judging anyone by solely what they do at the HS level is dumb.
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In PKM and I's defense, I don't think either of us are judging him solely by his HS tape. PKM obviously knows much more about college bball than I do and it seems like he follows recruiting pretty well...I trust his opinion on these things.

If you weren't talking about us, then my bad and carry on.
 
Hantlers said:
Watching him play against China and some scrimmages. Yes, he still has a tendency to drive recklessly into the lane and put up a stupid shot, but he's breaking that habit. He has very good ball skills, and he is a very smart player. He just has to break the habit of being a one person team like he has for several years. As for his NBA prospects, I'm still a bit hazy on that. He doesn't really have prototypical 2-guard size and I don't think he can play PG in the League. For a college player, he'll do very well. Curious as to your thoughts on the volume shooting, not trying to pick a fight, just curious on your thoughts on the stuff I said. Like I said, I'm not trying to pick a fight, but don't say things if you can't back them up....just calling it as I see it.
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I didn't go back and look, but I believe I called him a volume scorer rather than volume shooter. Though I did call his scoring inefficient so I can accept that that can easily be construed as the same. From HS, to AAU, to exhibition games, Austin has shown a killer instinct and some rather unique skill. I believe he has a definite place in the NBA and will 'get it' at Duke. I also believe it will be a struggle for him as he's been mostly babied by coaches to this point and that will definitely change with Coach K .. it will be an adjustment for sure.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Judging anyone by solely what they do at the HS level is dumb.
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Really? What else do you evaluate on, then? If you go back and look at the top 10 ranked players from each of the past however many years, you'll see the best talent evaluators have done a damn good job of projecting these players. I don't so much look at stats. I watch for size, skill, and intangibles ... and those are all easy to gauge regrdless of the level of competition. Defense has been the most difficult area for me to project from one level to the next, but still not all that unreliable.

A player either has legitimate size or he doesn't.
A player can handle the ball or he can't.
Pass.
Shoot.
Rebounding instincts.

All of these are fairly easy to figure. No, not really dumb at all.
 
For those interested in Rivers.

The great worry for Duke fans, and something that's already become a concern for the general basketball-watching public, is Rivers' attitude. It's difficult to tell where his sullen intensity crosses over into arrogance and unhelpful anger. Bill Raftery tiptoed around the subject on Friday. "It's all about becoming a member of a team," he said in regard to Rivers. "That's part of the process, too." He hastened to clarify that he didn't mean Rivers wasn't a team player, but the anxiety was unmistakable. Later, play-by-play man Lou Canelis quoted Coach K on the subject:

"He talked about how someone like Austin Rivers needs to learn that this isn't football," said Canelis. "That after you make a play on the offensive end, immediately you've got to be ready on the defensive end or you lose the basketball. Too many guys look up at the scoreboard, they look at the crowd, they lose focus."

https://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/6728/austin-rivers-seth-curry-and-unforeseen-drama-at-dukes-midnight-madness
 
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