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Utes 2011 Football Discussion

Score before the last play of the game:
USC 17
Utah 14
Score after the last play of the game:
USC 23
Utah 14
How exactly is this losing on the last play of the game?
Because Utah had the ball in scoring position (down by 3) on the last play of the game. Yes, they turned it over and USC scored on the play. That doesn't mean Utah wasn't in position to win that game on that last play.
 
Yeah, I gotta back Salty on this one.

The Utes did lose to USC on the last play of the game.

You can argue (I'm guessing this is your rationale) that USC was ahead before the play, and ahead after the play. That's true. But, Utah started that final play with possession, and the opportunity (and a fairly good one a that - not a hail mary type chance) to win or tie (and go to overtime with momentum) with that play. Thus, the game was lost on the final play.

But it's certainly possible to sit here and split hairs. The fact of the matter is, USC won. But they did not dominate Utah all game long. Utah mad a very close game out of it.
 
Yeah, I gotta back Salty on this one.

The Utes did lose to USC on the last play of the game.

You can argue (I'm guessing this is your rationale) that USC was ahead before the play, and ahead after the play. That's true. But, Utah started that final play with possession, and the opportunity (and a fairly good one a that - not a hail mary type chance) to win or tie (and go to overtime with momentum) with that play. Thus, the game was lost on the final play.

But it's certainly possible to sit here and split hairs. The fact of the matter is, USC won. But they did not dominate Utah all game long. Utah mad a very close game out of it.

Until I see your definition of how things went down on dictionary.com, you'll just have to be wrong.
 
I might not understand the tiebreakers correctly, but why does ASU have to lose 2 games? If both ASU and UCLA go 1-1 and Utah wins out, wouldn't that set up a 3 way tie? Utah>UCLA>ASU>Utah.
 
If you're already losing before the last play of the game starts and after the last play of the game you're losing by more, how do you lose on the last play of the game? I'll never understand how you can argue Utah lost on the last play of that game. I could see your argument if Utah was up 3 before the blocked FG was returned for a TD, resulting in a 3 pt. loss. But not when they were already trailing. But whatever you need to sleep at night I guess.
 
If you're already losing before the last play of the game starts and after the last play of the game you're losing by more, how do you lose on the last play of the game? I'll never understand how you can argue Utah lost on the last play of that game. I could see your argument if Utah was up 3 before the blocked FG was returned for a TD, resulting in a 3 pt. loss. But not when they were already trailing. But whatever you need to sleep at night I guess.

How about "they put themselves in position to get to OT on the last play"?
 
If you're already losing before the last play of the game starts and after the last play of the game you're losing by more, how do you lose on the last play of the game? I'll never understand how you can argue Utah lost on the last play of that game. I could see your argument if Utah was up 3 before the blocked FG was returned for a TD, resulting in a 3 pt. loss. But not when they were already trailing. But whatever you need to sleep at night I guess.

Whatever I need to sleep at night? Really?

Well, I'm not interested in arguing over semantics. I'm perfectly okay with you disagreeing.
 
That one I understand, since it's true.
If they were in a position to get into OT on the last play of the game, wouldn't that mean they lost on the last play of the game?

Nobody knew who was going to win that game until after the final play. In fact nobody even knew the final score until several hours after the final play.
 
If they were in a position to get into OT on the last play of the game, wouldn't that mean they lost on the last play of the game?
They were in a position to GET INTO overtime, not already heading there before the last play. That's a big difference. In my mind, if they had been tied or ahead on that last play and USC had scored, they lost on the last play. Not when they were already losing.
 
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