Rittenhouse

[fishonjazz]

Holy **** Fish.

Was Thriller talking about a role reversal of the exact, to the details, situation? No, he was not. He was attempting to say that if you’re black and you’re arrested with gun, or after shooting white people, the cops will shoot you.


Fwiw, regarding crossing state lines. Rittenhouse had a job in Kenosha. He lives in Antioch, IL, which is 20 miles away from Kenosha. That’s not uncommon despite people using the “crossing state lines” as a talking point.

 

[One Brow]

Sorry OB, I don’t know why it quoted a post from you in there.

No worries. I thought you made a fine post.

 

[Gameface]

Thanks for the clarification. My scenario wouldn't have been possible then.

I've got to say this entire line of discussion has been lost on me.

What is the implication if Rittenhouse racked the AR vs if he didn't?

And for a bit of clarity on using the charging handle on an AR, it can do a number of things.

If you pull it back it does what a live round would do if fired. The bolt comes back, the spent casing extraction mechanism cycles and a new round from the magazine is allowed to move into position to be loaded into the chamber. When you push it forward it engages the next round and slides it into the chamber, ready to be fired.

The charging handle of an AR is specifically designed to help in the event of a dud, misfire, stovepipe, jam, whatever. It cannot always solve the issue but it is a very fast and effective way to solve most issues. AI-O-Meter is misrepresenting how this works. If for some reason the spent shell casing remains in the chamber after the round is fired, as in it was not properly extracted, pulling the charging handle will likely remove the spent shell casing that was not removed during semi-automatic firing of the rifle. Stovepipe situations, where the spent shell casing gets caught in the mechanism without being fully expelled also typically can be cleared by pulling the charging handle back. A dud or misfire can be a much more complicated situation, but in the event of a dud (a round that does not go off at all) the entire round should be ejected by pulling the charging handle back. A misfire (basically the worst of all possible malfunctions) is when a round partially goes off, like in a situation where the primer ignites but the gunpowder doesn't. This can push the projectile into the barrel but not all the way out. It might also not do that and the projectile might still be connected to the round. In a casual situation anytime you pull the trigger and the gun doesn't cycle properly (properly being: it goes bang and a round hits something down range) you should stop and proceed carefully. A hangfire is when the action is initiated but the round exploding is delayed. You don't want to be trying to clear what you think is a jam only to have the round explode at an unexpected time.

Anyway. I don't know what this means for the case, but AI-O-Meter wanted to be a ****ing knowitall about it and slap down fish and OB. Using the charging handle on an AR does more than AI-O-Meter seems to think it does. It can clear issues that he has indicated it would not. In a high adrenaline situation, if your AR doesn't go bang when you pull the trigger your immediate response should be to use the charging handle to get a new round into the chamber. That is why that thing is where it is and as easy to to use as it is. It it the step one solution to any issue you have in a life or death situation.

 

[Red]

I had not seen this before. It lends some credence to GameFace's position on Rittenhouse, though not certainty.

Kyle Rittenhouse was recorded weeks before the Kenosha shooting saying he wished he 'had my f---ing AR' to shoot at people leaving CVS, prosecutors say

Kenosha prosecutors say a new video provides "crucial insight" into Kyle Rittenhouse's vigilante state of mind in summer 2020.

www.insider.com

Judge would not allow prosecutors to point that out…

The Kyle Rittenhouse Judge Is the Actual Worst

“I think Kyle Rittenhouse is going to get off. They gave the case to the worst judge in town.”

www.vanityfair.com

 

[JazzyFresh]

Jacob Blake a violent rapist
The other pedophile with a violent history

This is who some are literally and openly supporting. Birds of a feather I guess. More and more prevalent each day. You ever think this wouldn't have happened if Democrats didn't riot and insurrect over a blatant lie that Rapist Blake(a true Democrat) was rightfully shot?

 

[LogGrad98]

He went there to be a self-styled vigilante. Too bad our society romanticizes the vigilante. He'll be acquitted. Maybe a vigilante will take him out later. Poetic justice.

 

[One Brow]

Anyway. I don't know what this means for the case, but AI-O-Meter wanted to be a ****ing knowitall about it and slap down fish and OB.

If you're going to slap me down, talking about guns is great way to do it. Thanks for the knowledge.

 

[Harambe]

Wake me up when we start arguing the social contracts of society accept you have right to defend yourself, and that right was the weapon used be Kyle Rittenhouse to murder Anthony Huber[26], and Joseph Rosenbaum[36].

I'm genuinely disinterested in anything else.

 

[RandyForRubio]

He went there to be a self-styled vigilante. Too bad our society romanticizes the vigilante. He'll be acquitted. Maybe a vigilante will take him out later. Poetic justice.

There’s a couple things I think are true.

1) If Rittenhouse doesn’t take his rifle, he doesn’t kill anybody.

2) If people aren’t attacking the kid with a gun, pointing their gun at him, chasing kid with a gun, etc, etc, they aren’t going to get killed or shot.

It’s unfortunate situation, truly, but legally, it just isn’t murder. The witness for the prosecution said that Rittenhouse did not point his rifle at him until the witness pointed his gun at Rittenhouse. That’s clearly self defense. And I’ve seen a lot of people rag on Rittenhouse bringing a rifle (rightfully so imo), but those same people never have an issue with the guy who got shot illegally having a weapon as well. Stupid people played stupid games, and now people are dead. It’s sad, unfortunate, but legally, it ain’t murder.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Fwiw, I think it Rittenhouse really wanted to be a vigilante, he probably could have and would have shot a lot more people. If I was in a situation where I had a rifle during a riot/uncontrolled protest, and people were chasing me, I sure as **** would’ve fired. Now, I also wouldn’t go there or bring a rifle, but that’s irrelevant. If you have a weapon, and you have multiple people telling you they’re going to kill you, chase you, point a gun at you, those people have given you the legal means to shoot them. Being there the way he did could arguably be called “being a vigilante”, but his actions with the rifle cannot, imo.

 

[One Brow]

Fwiw, I think it Rittenhouse really wanted to be a vigilante, he probably could have and would have shot a lot more people. If I was in a situation where I had a rifle during a riot/uncontrolled protest, and people were chasing me, I sure as **** would’ve fired. Now, I also wouldn’t go there or bring a rifle, but that’s irrelevant. If you have a weapon, and you have multiple people telling you they’re going to kill you, chase you, point a gun at you, those people have given you the legal means to shoot them. Being there the way he did could arguably be called “being a vigilante”, but his actions with the rifle cannot, imo.

Do you also agree that bringing the rifle in and of itself increases the tensions in your interactions with the protestors?

 

[LogGrad98]

Do you also agree that bringing the rifle in and of itself increases the tensions in your interactions with the protestors?

Yeah my guess is that bringing a large openly visible weapon to an emotionally charged situation is a good way to guarantee you will have to use that weapon. Hell, carry around a Samurai sword in the same context and odds are you will find yourself in a situation where you feel you have to swing it to protect yourself.

If the only tool you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail.