Does anyone still like this team?

[oneye]

If we trade both I’d like to trade Rudy to Dallas and see him win a ring. I’d like to trade Donovan to the Knicks raid their assets, and watch NY media and Dolan devour him.

 

[Jingled]

I also loved the part of the podcast where Lowe went off about the Jazz using health as an excuse for their struggles. I'm so sick and tired of the media, players and Quin doing this. Bogeys really good, I get that, but we should be able to beat teams like the Clippers and Hornets without him. Like they said, Memphis is 19-2 without Ja, and the Suns went 11-4 without CP3. All teams have injuries...the Nuggets have been without their 2nd and 3rd best players all season and they have the same record as us. I don't want to hear excuses anymore.

 

[Elizah Huge]

“Donovan is not long for Utah” “If Rudy we’re traded, and that’s it because he would prefer to stay there”. I mean idk Tim basically went all in on this interview that there’s a real possibility Donovan tries to force his way out THIS summer. Pretty dirty garbage considering the Jazz are hosting the All Star game next season. Donovan cares about one thing. Donovan. Rudy cares about winning, the Jazz organization, and this community. It’s unfortunate after the first couple years that Donovan’s Jazz career is going to end up in a dirty exit, and I’m going to be proven right. I would have rather been proven wrong, but it’s been pretty obvious how much Donovan has changed and what he’s not willing to say anymore. The **** part of this is we may end up having to trade a guy with actual and true commitment to this franchise in Rudy over the douche. Tim on trying to play-cate Donovan to make him happy “I think that’s a terrible approach, listen Donovan Mitchell is not staying in Utah”.

That’s not what he said but I’m not surprised that you’re twisting this to fit your narrative. The sad part is the thesis of your entire argument the past two years is mostly correct but the supporting paper of the thesis is just pure trash.

Donovan is not going to be here long-term. We all know that and I don’t think there is anyone who truly believes he will.

If the off-season comes and we trade Gobert and we are fighting for a play-in spot. There is a great possibility Donovan asks out.

If we get to the off-season and Donovan says it’s me or Rudy at that point you may as well trade both.

Best case scenario is we make a pivot and move Conley or Bogey and give it another shot with Mitchell and Gobert in my opinion. Next best is to go full OKC and trade both.

I do fully think a package we got for Donovan if constructed right would be enough to help us compete if we kept Gobert vs trading Gobert and keeping Donovan.

Basically what we shouldn’t do is trade Gobert and be a mediocre team in Donovan’s prime. Unless we somehow got $1.25 on the dollar for Gobert.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If we trade both I’d like to trade Rudy to Dallas and see him win a ring. I’d like to trade Donovan to the Knicks raid their assets, and watch NY media and Dolan devour him.

Sad thing is that NYK doesnt have enough assets I want to raid.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yep, the only way I see that happening is if Gobert has a really negative playoff series and everyone is basically offering that same meh package.

There is a sign and trade possibility with Brunson too... not that I want to bring in a win now guy but depending on the contract number that could be an asset we could flip later... they could also get something in a sign and trade for him and send it our way.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Sad thing is that NYK doesnt have enough assets I want to raid.

Barrett and all of their picks.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

There is a sign and trade possibility with Brunson too... not that I want to bring in a win now guy but depending on the contract number that could be an asset we could flip later... they could also get something in a sign and trade for him and send it our way.

I think the best we can hope for with Gobert is probably one decent rookie contract prospect, some bad contracts (unless we are trading with a team who needs to swap their center out and he isnt bad/bad contract, and a first round that will project in the late lottery to mid first round.

 

[Elizah Huge]

The sad thing is that Dallas just doesnt have good assets. I dont think it's possible.

Yeah its like Josh Green, a bad contract, and expiring contract, the could use their pick this year then include it in a trade... but then you aren't getting another pick until 2025 and 2027. Meh

My thoughts exactly. Their cupboard isn’t exactly full.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Does anyone think we can pull a heist like Indiana did and snag Scottie Barnes in a Gobert deal?

 

[oneye]

That’s not what he said but I’m not surprised that you’re twisting this to fit your narrative. The sad part is the thesis of your entire argument the past two years is mostly correct but the supporting paper of the thesis is just pure trash.

Donovan is not going to be here long-term. We all know that and I don’t think there is anyone who truly believes he will.

If the off-season comes and we trade Gobert and we are fighting for a play-in spot. There is a great possibility Donovan asks out.

If we get to the off-season and Donovan says it’s me or Rudy at that point you may as well trade both.

Best case scenario is we make a pivot and move Conley or Bogey and give it another shot with Mitchell and Gobert in my opinion. Next best is to go full OKC and trade both.

I do fully think a package we got for Donovan if constructed right would be enough to help us compete if we kept Gobert vs trading Gobert and keeping Donovan.

Basically what we shouldn’t do is trade Gobert and be a mediocre team in Donovan’s prime. Unless we somehow got $1.25 on the dollar for Gobert.

You’re right that I didn’t quote it word for word. Tim literally said “Donovan is not long for Utah”. He literally says it could be this summer. I didn’t twist anything so piss off. And yes, you’re right. What I’ve said was going to happen, is exactly what’s going to happen.

 

[Elizah Huge]

@oneye’s idea of dealing Donovan before it’s too late isn’t exactly bad. Shame is he has been such a ****ing ******* on this board instead of thoughtfully portraying his thoughts. He’s become full on obsessive but can’t really do victory laps because he’s been such an idiot on here.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Sad thing is that NYK doesnt have enough assets I want to raid.

I think the Dallas future picks are terrible but NY future picks could get real juicey.

If they jump up in the draft this year to the top 4 then they have one big asset. I assume they would want to keep RJ to pair RJ and Donovan. They could put together a 5-6 quarters equals a dollar type of trade if they don't move up. Not my first choice but say they send us:

Toppin, Grimes, Quickly, McBride their 2022 pick (after they have exercised it so we can get 23), 2023, the Dallas 2023 pick, 2025, 2027 and pick swaps in between... they have to all be unprotected since that is kind of a ****** package. If we can bet on the Knicks to be ****** that is a good bet. I think there should be way better packages though.

Maybe Detroit says they will send their top 4 pick this year, Grant (who goes to Portland for another lotto pick), and another future pick plus reclamation project Killian Hayes?

I think you can really extract a premium as there will be lots of buyers.