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Exactly.

bordelais7 said:
Usually by the second-to-last pre-season game the coach has a rotation solidified and players have begun to gel. I saw none of this last night -- it looked more like the first pre-season game.

Screwed.
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lol, i see what you did there.
 
My beef is really with the vets. Supposedly they've been chomping at the bit the get back on the court.......obviously. You'd think that, at worst, the guys who've been around the block would be able to muster some sort of rhythm or semblance of an offense to start things off, but what I saw was a lot of standing and watching. Maybe they were paralyzed with excitement to get back on the court finally.

Thats my beef, this next one is more about being perplexed. I can't figure out why Corbin didn't try and mix lineups at all. Wholesale changes aren't really going to tell us who works together, IMO. I'd have liked to see how AJ and Favors would have worked together, maybe toss Burks in with the starters to see if he can get the D to collapse and kick, maybe CJ and Al with the young guys etc. (I didn't include Memo and Raja because its my belief that they shouldn't be allowed into NBA arenas through the team entrance).

I'm not going to freakout over the first pre-season game but thats what I saw.
 
Bodhi said:
My beef is really with the vets. Supposedly they've been chomping at the bit the get back on the court.......obviously. You'd think that, at worst, the guys who've been around the block would be able to muster some sort of rhythm or semblance of an offense to start things off, but what I saw was a lot of standing and watching. Maybe they were paralyzed with excitement to get back on the court finally.

Thats my beef, this next one is more about being perplexed. I can't figure out why Corbin didn't try and mix lineups at all. Wholesale changes aren't really going to tell us who works together, IMO. I'd have liked to see how AJ and Favors would have worked together, maybe toss Burks in with the starters to see if he can get the D to collapse and kick, maybe CJ and Al with the young guys etc. (I didn't include Memo and Raja because its my belief that they shouldn't be allowed into NBA arenas through the team entrance).

I'm not going to freakout over the first pre-season game but thats what I saw.
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To be fair most vets don't do much in a preseason game because they dont wanna get hurt.
 
Beantown said:
To be fair most vets don't do much in a preseason game because they dont wanna get hurt.
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That's true.

But for the record, I've been on the 'dump the vets (sans Sap) train' (maybe even the conductor?) since last year's deadline.

But you're right. I'm more happy to see what Favors showed than bummed about anything else.
 
I think there are a few simple things to take away from last night:

1) Favors can play. He only has a few moves and an improving jumper, but he can parlay that into 25/12 simply because he's just awfully difficult to match up with physically. He has too much strength up high to stop.

2) Kanter can rebound. Yes, he's got his work cut out for him, but as long as he's rebounding on both ends, he's not hurting the team.

3) Okur is kind of back, but never had the mobility to play the PF spot and doesn't have the defense to hold down the C spot. He's got to come off the bench, if that.

4) Burks has lots of potential.

5) Raja Bell is not likely to be better than last year. Why would he be?

6) Hayward is an important facilitator. He's a confident ball handler and passer, and he needs to be on the floor to keep things moving. His all-around game is still developing.
 
Catchall said:
I think there are a few simple things to take away from last night:

1) Favors can play. He only has a few moves and an improving jumper, but he can parlay that into 25/12 simply because he's just awfully difficult to match up with physically. He has too much strength up high to stop.

2) Kanter can rebound. Yes, he's got his work cut out for him, but as long as he's rebounding on both ends, he's not hurting the team.

3) Okur is kind of back, but never had the mobility to play the PF spot and doesn't have the defense to hold down the C spot. He's got to come off the bench, if that.

4) Burks has lots of potential.

5) Raja Bell is not likely to be better than last year. Why would he be?

6) Hayward is an important facilitator. He's a confident ball handler and passer, and he needs to be on the floor to keep things moving. His all-around game is still developing.
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Good analysis. Imagine how good Favors will be once he actually develops his post game/keeps improving that mid range jumper.. As for Okur, he looked simply awful. His body language was terrible, and I agree he needs to be our 5th big man off the bench.
 
At least we found out that Okur should not start and Favors should before the season starts.


But I could have told Ty that before last night.
 
Verlin said:
Umm thats speaking to the Lakers, world champions two years ago. We have a team of overpaid, role playing vets. Ship them out.
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So we should ship our vets out before we even know what we have in guys like Favors and Kanter? If we start Favors, I'm completely fine with keeping Al on the team this season. As long as Favors and Sap both get 30 min/per, keeping Al should benefit us. We need the depth this season.
 
I'm not calling for Corbin's head but it's perfectly appropriate to lay a lot of blame for last night fiasco on him and the rest of the coaching staff.

If The Jazz compete and still lose tomorrow, then fine he brought the team forward a little bit. If not, expect more of the same and rightfully so.
 
NUMBERICA said:
That's true.

But for the record, I've been on the 'dump the vets (sans Sap) train' (maybe even the conductor?) since last year's deadline.

But you're right. I'm more happy to see what Favors showed than bummed about anything else.
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I'm hoping both Okur and Jefferson raise their trade value by the deadline (when is that by the way?) and become more tradeable for assets/good role players.
 
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