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Jazz should trade for youth and picks and tank the season.

utahjazz107 said:
This is our best option to build a championship team. We live in Salt Lake City not New York, we aren't going to build a contending team through the free agency. We have to get a young core and let them play for a couple of years to establish a good team chemistry where everyone wants to stick with the Jazz and win a championship. Kanter looks solid, Favors can be an all-star, Hayward looks great,Burks has potential and not to mention Evans can be our new Millsap. We need a young point guard and upgrade at the wing. We should give up a lot in these trades besides draft picks and get young talent like Harden, DeRozan, Monroe, Holiday, Evans etc..then once our starting lineup shapes up, we could pull a blockbuster trade and become the next Clippers or keep our young talent and become the next OKC.

This is why I feel that Jefferson, Harris and Miles have no spot in the future on this team.
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Well said. You are one of the only ones thinking clearly in here!
 
I agree with some of this, but slow down. Veterans still serve a longterm purpose and teams still need to have a certain amount of salary committed. Also, doing anything with purposeful losing as a motive is something that teams should be very wary of, IMO.

That said, I don't see Harris or Jefferson as Jazz players now, and I don't see them as good pieces to have when this ship gets turned around. I do think they have positive market value now, though. I don't think I have to finish this thought.
 
utahjazz107 said:
This is our best option to build a championship team. We live in Salt Lake City not New York, we aren't going to build a contending team through the free agency. We have to get a young core and let them play for a couple of years to establish a good team chemistry where everyone wants to stick with the Jazz and win a championship. Kanter looks solid, Favors can be an all-star, Hayward looks great,Burks has potential and not to mention Evans can be our new Millsap. We need a young point guard and upgrade at the wing. We should give up a lot in these trades besides draft picks and get young talent like Harden, DeRozan, Monroe, Holiday, Evans etc..then once our starting lineup shapes up, we could pull a blockbuster trade and become the next Clippers or keep our young talent and become the next OKC.
This is why I feel that Jefferson, Harris and Miles have no spot in the future on this team.
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Do we have to get threads like this every day or 2? Drafting is not a guaranteed thing. You have heard of busts right?
 
I like the depth and talent on this team now. Bell is the only player I want gone. And him being deep on the bench is good enough. If he plays more than 10 Minutes a night I will not be happy though.
 
cctrackstar said:
I will never support the Jazz tanking to get talent. If that is the only way to win in the NBA I would rather stop watching the NBA then support tanking games. BTW, good scouting can make low draft picks lead to championships. (remember, Manu Ginobili was picked #57)
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I agree. The last thing I want them to do is tank on purpose. Yeah we joke about it and all, but I really don't think the Jazz organization would do something like that, and really it is a very uncertain way to get any further ahead. So you tank and get into the lottery as the #3 team let's say, then you end up with the #5 pick as 2 teams lottery in ahead of you. Never a guarantee you are going to get a Duncan just because you have a ****ty year. Play to win and let the chips fall where they may.
 
I'm all for tanking a game or two at the end of the season (also known as protecting your assets) when the outcome is already known, but to tank a SEASON is sinful, cowardly, and dumb.

I think most are really saying they hope we have a great season, but there's also an upside to having a poor season.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I agree. The last thing I want them to do is tank on purpose. Yeah we joke about it and all, but I really don't think the Jazz organization would do something like that, and really it is a very uncertain way to get any further ahead. So you tank and get into the lottery as the #3 team let's say, then you end up with the #5 pick as 2 teams lottery in ahead of you. Never a guarantee you are going to get a Duncan just because you have a ****ty year. Play to win and let the chips fall where they may.
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No one is saying lose on purpose. What we are saying is that you have to be realistic. The team as it sits is a first round playoff exit or last in the lottery. That's the worse place to be is right in the middle. The team has to be able to recognize that the older players we have now are not going to lead us to a championship ever. And the young guys won't be ready for a few years. So there is no point in teaming them up together. You trade away the older players for draft picks if you can. If not then don't trade them. You do this knowing that you won't be in that middle ground area.

I mean C'Mon man! In two years from now do you want to be re-upping Jefferson for another 14 mil a year for 5 years.
And in-between now and then are we going to win a championship? Or are we going to let Jefferson walk after we paid 3 first rounders for him? Or let Millsap walk and get nothing? Just like we do for all our talent that comes through here.

Be realistic!
 
LogGrad98 said:
I agree. The last thing I want them to do is tank on purpose. Yeah we joke about it and all, but I really don't think the Jazz organization would do something like that, and really it is a very uncertain way to get any further ahead. So you tank and get into the lottery as the #3 team let's say, then you end up with the #5 pick as 2 teams lottery in ahead of you. Never a guarantee you are going to get a Duncan just because you have a ****ty year. Play to win and let the chips fall where they may.
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No one is saying lose on purpose. What we are saying is that you have to be realistic. The team as it sits is a first round playoff exit or last in the lottery. That's the worse place to be is right in the middle. The team has to be able to recognize that the older players we have now are not going to lead us to a championship ever. And the young guys won't be ready for a few years. So there is no point in teaming them up together. You trade away the older players for draft picks if you can. If not then don't trade them. You do this knowing that you won't be in that middle ground area.

I mean C'Mon man! In two years from now do you want to be re-upping Jefferson for another 14 mil a year for 5 years.
And in-between now and then are we going to win a championship? Or are we going to let Jefferson walk after we paid 3 first rounders for him? Or let Millsap walk and get nothing? Just like we do for all our talent that comes through here.

Be realistic!
 
BluesRocker said:
No one is saying lose on purpose. What we are saying is that you have to be realistic. The team as it sits is a first round playoff exit or last in the lottery. That's the worse place to be is right in the middle. The team has to be able to recognize that the older players we have now are not going to lead us to a championship ever. And the young guys won't be ready for a few years. So there is no point in teaming them up together. You trade away the older players for draft picks if you can. If not then don't trade them. You do this knowing that you won't be in that middle ground area.

I mean C'Mon man! In two years from now do you want to be re-upping Jefferson for another 14 mil a year for 5 years.
And in-between now and then are we going to win a championship? Or are we going to let Jefferson walk after we paid 3 first rounders for him? Or let Millsap walk and get nothing? Just like we do for all our talent that comes through here.

Be realistic!
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What is wrong with being in the middle for this team. I get you don't want to get stuck there. But with a very young an inexperienced team full of players with good upside. Being in the middle of the pack with this team would be very encouraging. I don't think this team makes the playoffs and I really don't think they win a playoff game. But I will be very happy if they do. Especially if they go that far with the young guys as major rotation players.
 
gregbroncs said:
I like the depth and talent on this team now. Bell is the only player I want gone. And him being deep on the bench is good enough. If he plays more than 10 Minutes a night I will not be happy though.
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Agree. As for being "in the middle," I can see negatives and positives. Make the playoffs and we convey a pick to the TPups a year earlier. One would hope our picks become less valuable as our record improves each season so this would be the year to miss the playoffs and land in the lottery. However, if the Jazz DO make the playoffs, that probably means multiple young guys are improving faster and playing better than we had hoped. So that may mean we have less need of a top pick and can just the TPE and/or trade of Harris, Jefferson, etc. on a veteran point and wing to acquire the complementary piece(s) to the Favors, Kanter, Millsap, Hayward, Burks core.
 
PKM said:
I'm all for tanking a game or two at the end of the season (also known as protecting your assets) when the outcome is already known, but to tank a SEASON is sinful, cowardly, and dumb.

I think most are really saying they hope we have a great season, but there's also an upside to having a poor season.
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It got The San Antonio Spurs 4 rings so every knuckle head nut who either doesn't know or understand the circumstances surrounding that move thinks tanking the season automatically equals 25 more wins the next season.
 
Jesus....
Don't the Jazz have enough youth yet?
Or are we going to become the next Sacramento, and continue to trade player after player for pick after pick?

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