The Biden Administration and All Things Politics

[fishonjazz]

WAY too many people are in jail/prison on drug charges.

“there are no individuals currently in federal prison solely for simple possession of marijuana.”


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[fishonjazz]

See, we were discussing getting Griner out of prison for possessing a gram of marijauna.
Then mongoose said that we should focus on people in america who are imprisoned for drug possession.

So if we are making this comparison then lets make it apples to apples.

Griner was imprisoned for possessing a gram of marijuana. Are there americans in prisons in america for possessing a gram of marijuana? According to mongoose the answer is no. So his compaint of america having people like griner in american prisons was just a falsehood.
Glad we got that settled. Moving on……


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[Mongoose]

See, we were discussing getting Griner out of prison for possessing a gram of marijauna.
Then mongoose said that we should focus on people in america who are imprisoned for drug possession.

So if we are making this comparison then lets make it apples to apples.

Griner was imprisoned for possessing a gram of marijuana. Are there americans in prisons in america for possessing a gram of marijuana? According to mongoose the answer is no. So his compaint of america having people like griner in american prisons was just a falsehood.
Glad we got that settled. Moving on……


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According to Reuters - A U.S. official said on Thursday that U.S. basketball star Brittney Griner, who had been jailed in Russia in charges of possessing and smuggling illegal drugs, was now in U.S. custody

Brittney Griner, U.S. basketball star caught up in Russia crisis

A U.S. official said on Thursday that U.S. basketball star Brittney Griner, who had been jailed in Russia in charges of possessing and smuggling illegal drugs, was now in U.S. custody.

www.reuters.com

 

[Gameface]

According to Reuters - A U.S. official said on Thursday that U.S. basketball star Brittney Griner, who had been jailed in Russia in charges of possessing and smuggling illegal drugs, was now in U.S. custody

Brittney Griner, U.S. basketball star caught up in Russia crisis

A U.S. official said on Thursday that U.S. basketball star Brittney Griner, who had been jailed in Russia in charges of possessing and smuggling illegal drugs, was now in U.S. custody.

www.reuters.com

Any time you bring a prohibited item through customs without declaring it you have "smuggled."

Other than that I'm not sure what your point is here.

 

[One Brow]

Meaning "Drug possession" is a charge they tack on to the individual or in an effort to extend sentences by convicting them for "trafficking" or some other ****.

It's the other way around. Possession above a certain amount can be charged with trafficking, even if you've never sold a gram. Many people are in prison for "trafficking" when it really was just possession.

 

[Mongoose]

Any time you bring a prohibited item through customs without declaring it you have "smuggled."

Other than that I'm not sure what your point is here.

Did you read what I was responding to? He said she was in jail for possession in Russia and he wants to draw comparisons. I was showing that the possession charges even in Russia are drummed up and the possession charge is tacked on to other charges like smuggling.
She was not in prison in Russia for simple drug possession, just like folks in the US are not in prison for simple drug possession charges because the prison system wants to tack charges onto people to extend sentences, increase parole etc.

 

[Gameface]

Did you read what I was responding to? He said she was in jail for possession in Russia and he wants to draw comparisons. I was showing that the possession charges even in Russia are drummed up and the possession charge is tacked on to other charges like smuggling.
She was not in prison in Russia for simple drug possession, just like folks in the US are not in prison for simple drug possession charges because the prison system wants to tack charges onto people to extend sentences, increase parole etc.

Sure. I guess I'm not clear on your larger point. Yes, things get tacked on. Her crime was possession and smuggling. Are you trying to claim victory for finding a fairly simple error in what fish said?

I don't know what typical sentences for that crime typically are in Russia. 9 years in a gulag seems outrageously excessive. I know that in places like the U.S., Canada, Australia, a person who had done that exact thing would most likely walk out of the airport having paid a fine, having the illegal substance confiscated and being noted for increased scrutiny when going through customs in the future.

Are you arguing that her sentence was justified? That she would have faced the same consequences here for the exact same thing? That "both sides" suck because we didn't get enough in exchange for our prisoner?

I'm just not getting what idea your clarification is intended to advance, unless you just wanted to clarify for the sake of clarification.

 

[Gameface]

remembering the one of a kind Herschel Walker Senate campaign

 

[Deleted member 365]

See, we were discussing getting Griner out of prison for possessing a gram of marijauna.
Then mongoose said that we should focus on people in america who are imprisoned for drug possession.

So if we are making this comparison then lets make it apples to apples.

Griner was imprisoned for possessing a gram of marijuana. Are there americans in prisons in america for possessing a gram of marijuana? According to mongoose the answer is no. So his compaint of america having people like griner in american prisons was just a falsehood.
Glad we got that settled. Moving on……


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That’s not how partisanship works. My party and its leaders are amazing and yours sucks no matter what they do. (I know you don’t have a party).

 

[fishonjazz]

Sure. I guess I'm not clear on your larger point. Yes, things get tacked on. Her crime was possession and smuggling. Are you trying to claim victory for finding a fairly simple error in what fish said?

I don't know what typical sentences for that crime typically are in Russia. 9 years in a gulag seems outrageously excessive. I know that in places like the U.S., Canada, Australia, a person who had done that exact thing would most likely walk out of the airport having paid a fine, having the illegal substance confiscated and being noted for increased scrutiny when going through customs in the future.

Are you arguing that her sentence was justified? That she would have faced the same consequences here for the exact same thing? That "both sides" suck because we didn't get enough in exchange for our prisoner?

I'm just not getting what idea your clarification is intended to advance, unless you just wanted to clarify for the sake of clarification.

He is arguing because something happened with bidens name attached to it. Thats the only reason really.


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[LogGrad98]

remembering the one of a kind Herschel Walker Senate campaign

This erection is indeed for the people.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Sure. I guess I'm not clear on your larger point. Yes, things get tacked on. Her crime was possession and smuggling. Are you trying to claim victory for finding a fairly simple error in what fish said?

I don't know what typical sentences for that crime typically are in Russia. 9 years in a gulag seems outrageously excessive. I know that in places like the U.S., Canada, Australia, a person who had done that exact thing would most likely walk out of the airport having paid a fine, having the illegal substance confiscated and being noted for increased scrutiny when going through customs in the future.

Are you arguing that her sentence was justified? That she would have faced the same consequences here for the exact same thing? That "both sides" suck because we didn't get enough in exchange for our prisoner?

I'm just not getting what idea your clarification is intended to advance, unless you just wanted to clarify for the sake of clarification.

Simple question, how do we know that she was guilty of what she was accused of doing in Russia? Russia isn’t exactly a good faith actor. I’m old enough to remember earlier this year when they claimed they had to invade Ukraine and liberate it from NATO and Nazis. I’m also old enough to remember when Putin told Trump at Helsinki that Russia had nothing to do with the 2016 election and then tried to peddle disinformation that Zelensky and Ukraine hacked the DNC’s servers.

I’m just curious why we all take Russia’s word here, as if they would easily lie about invading Ukraine or influencing our elections but wouldn’t ever ever ever dream of arresting a high profile American athlete under bogus charges?