Woj: Jazz agree to 3-team trade with Lakers and Timberwolves

[Korisfani]

We have 2 (or 3) core players, one of them being an all star unicorn who still has room to develop

If none arrive in the summer... we will still lurk come next december... meanwhile developing those drafted rookies and our core further.

I have trouble calling Ochai (presumably) "core". And I like him probably more than the average here.

IF the Jazz are out of the playoffs next year as well, Lauri has then been on Bulls teams with 27, 22, 22 and 31 wins, played one play-in with the Cavs and has been on two tanking Jazz teams. Then the probability is high, he's not with whatever the future contender is or is not. And there's a very large hole in the plans.

 

[Eminence]

I kinda hope JTA gets time here, always liked him in GS.

 

[Korisfani]

So by asking someone to pinpoint exactly who we get you are being weird...

If someone is saying that the Jazz next year are gonna be in the playoffs, I don't think it's at all unreasonable to ask how that happens. And I've not heard anything else besides "well we probably tank anyway" in response yet.

 

[LogGrad98]

If someone is saying that the Jazz next year are gonna be in the playoffs, I don't think it's at all unreasonable to ask how that happens. And I've not heard anything else besides "well we probably tank anyway" in response yet.

I could see a quick rebuild through trades and moving up in the draft. If we get a top 5 pick that pans out well, and can bundle assets for an impact player, which is entirely plausible, and Lauri continues his upward trend, we could conceivably be in the mix next year. But that is a lot of ifs that have to happen. But it is not something with insurmountable odds.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I would say what was given up to get it, and the package surrounding it. The Minnesota top-5 protected is further out and is part of a bigger package. The Lakers one is the only real compensation we got for a reasonably valuable package of assets.

What was given up to get it doesn’t change the value of it to other teams.

 

[HermanG]

I have trouble calling Ochai (presumably) "core". And I like him probably more than the average here.

IF the Jazz are out of the playoffs next year as well, Lauri has then been on Bulls teams with 27, 22, 22 and 31 wins, played one play-in with the Cavs and has been on two tanking Jazz teams. Then the probability is high, he's not with whatever the future contender is or is not. And there's a very large hole in the plans.

Thats a risk they are taking for sure. But in order to get better... you actually need to be getting better. Right?

I will ask you two questions. Please be honest.

How many of our players trended upwards during this year?
How many such players did we trade away?

 

[LogGrad98]

What was given up to get it doesn’t change the value of it to other teams.

I didn't read that in your post. You mentioned they both convey as 2nds so I read it as how is the value different to the Jazz. For other teams they are likely very similar.

 

[Korisfani]

I will ask you two questions. Please be honest.

I haven't been making any claims.

Other than that the chances of Lauri being with the Jazz in 24/25 or re-signing dropped considerably. And playing rookies next year further drops those. Adjust your rebuild scenarios accordingly.

 

[sip]

I have trouble calling Ochai (presumably) "core". And I like him probably more than the average here.

IF the Jazz are out of the playoffs next year as well, Lauri has then been on Bulls teams with 27, 22, 22 and 31 wins, played one play-in with the Cavs and has been on two tanking Jazz teams. Then the probability is high, he's not with whatever the future contender is or is not. And there's a very large hole in the plans.

I'm not concerned by that. I expect to be terrible the rest of this season. Next season I think we are in the bottom 3rd of the west but have a nice young core to grow together. The 24 offseason we add another top 10 pick and we are pretty aggressive and add couple solid role player free agents.

 

[sip]

I haven't been making any claims.

Other than that the chances of Lauri being with the Jazz in 24/25 or re-signing dropped considerably. And playing rookies next year further drops those. Adjust your rebuild scenarios accordingly.

Lauri isn't going anywhere after the 24/25 season as long as the jazz have surrounded him with a ton of solid young players and the team is on a clear upswing. That is what the next 18 months is about.

 

[Korisfani]

I'm not concerned by that.

And that's fine by me. I think you're one of the most honest ones. But then there's the fantasy land where Lauri is definitely re-signing, all the picks hit and every single positive thing happens without any of the negatives.

 

[Korisfani]

Lauri isn't going anywhere after the 24/25 season as long as the jazz have surrounded him with a ton of solid young players and the team is on a clear upswing. That is what the next 18 months is about.

The "clear" in that sentence is doing a lot of heavy, heavy lifting