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Jarace continues to be worrisome to me. I don’t know exactly how he is getting pegged as some consensus top-6/7 prospect. 34.7% from 3 and 66.3% from FT. I’ve been told his passing is his best ability but he’s terrible at creating so how will he showcase that? He’s not a good finisher at the rim either.

I will go out on a limb and say he has the biggest bust potential out of any of the other guys projected to go in the top-7.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Jarace continues to be worrisome to me. I don’t know exactly how he is getting pegged as some consensus top-6/7 prospect. 34.7% from 3 and 66.3% from FT. I’ve been told his passing is his best ability but he’s terrible at creating so how will he showcase that? He’s not a good finisher at the rim either.

I will go out on a limb and say he has the biggest bust potential out of any of the other guys projected to go in the top-7.
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He's going to look different in an NBA setting attacking defenses and making decisions off the dribble. Even though it's not a direct comp, he's going to do a lot of the things that Al Horford does, imo. His ability to defend on the perimeter is overrated though. He's not the lock-down defender that people sometimes assume he is.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
He's going to look different in an NBA setting attacking defenses and making decisions off the dribble. Even though it's not a direct comp, he's going to do a lot of the things that Al Horford does, imo. His ability to defend on the perimeter is overrated though. He's not the lock-down defender that people sometimes assume he is.
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Pretty alarming for someone high on Walker to say his greatest projectable NBA skill isn’t even great.
 
Anyone seen this docu series?

I’m a little concern the first thing Black talks about is to get to the NBA to “make a lot of money” and “take care of my family”.

I’m concerned winning the Chip or being the best he could be or continual improvement isn’t the first thing he says here.

Anyone else share my concern?


View: https://youtu.be/pDmmWFPREi4
 
ONE LOVE said:
Anyone seen this docu series?

I’m a little concern the first thing Black talks about is to get to the NBA to “make a lot of money” and “take care of my family”.

I’m concerned winning the Chip or being the best he could be or continual improvement isn’t the first thing he says here.

Anyone else share my concern?


View: https://youtu.be/pDmmWFPREi4
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To be clear I’m all for making money and looking after one’s family..

I’m just not sure it’s the first thing a hardcore competitive athlete would say.
 
Elizah Huge said:
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This is unassisted FG’s made at the rim (not including putbacks) per 40 mins. A way to see who is a good creator and finisher at the rim.

A couple things that stand out:

Whitmore is awesome (shocker)

Black/Bufkin/Wallace/Podz looking good

Hendricks/Walker/Dick/Jett/JHS below Walsh is a yikes
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Yikes?

Whitmore being this high is a negative and positive. The biggest knock on Whitmore is his game is entirely isolation based. Guys being low isn't necessarily a sign they are bad creators and for many of them is a positive sign of how they play within a team. I would say these stats are somewhat useless without any attempts/misses on these kinds of shots being represented.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Jarace continues to be worrisome to me. I don’t know exactly how he is getting pegged as some consensus top-6/7 prospect. 34.7% from 3 and 66.3% from FT. I’ve been told his passing is his best ability but he’s terrible at creating so how will he showcase that? He’s not a good finisher at the rim either.

I will go out on a limb and say he has the biggest bust potential out of any of the other guys projected to go in the top-7.
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If your whole thing for evaluating prospects is going to be projecting based of a small sample size w/ stats then Jarace isn't going to be your cup of tea.
 
I would say because of his defense Walker has the lowest bust potential, but there is a chance he's not anything better than average offensively and that could leave you underwhelmed with your selection.
 
If drafting was as simple as just picking who had the best stats in Synergy then you would see teams drafting way better.

Drafting well is a bit like believing in ghost at times. You have to be able to see something that isn't there.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Pretty alarming for someone high on Walker to say his greatest projectable NBA skill isn’t even great.
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It is great he's just not a clamps defender on *most* perimeter players. His defensive strengths are his versatility and ability for team defense.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Jarace continues to be worrisome to me. I don’t know exactly how he is getting pegged as some consensus top-6/7 prospect. 34.7% from 3 and 66.3% from FT. I’ve been told his passing is his best ability but he’s terrible at creating so how will he showcase that? He’s not a good finisher at the rim either.

I will go out on a limb and say he has the biggest bust potential out of any of the other guys projected to go in the top-7.
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Ya he has fallen off big time for me. After the measurements i was pretty high on him but a lot of your data has made me not want him anymore
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
If drafting was as simple as just picking who had the best stats in Synergy then you would see teams drafting way better.

Drafting well is a bit like believing in ghost at times. You have to be able to see something that isn't there.
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Sample sizes are so small and situations are so different that it makes comparing stats not that useful. That's probably a reason that free throw percentage is a better indicator than other stats since everyone takes those shots under the same circumstances.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
If drafting was as simple as just picking who had the best stats in Synergy then you would see teams drafting way better.

Drafting well is a bit like believing in ghost at times. You have to be able to see something that isn't there.
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I would say you are overcomplicating things a bit here. I would say there are some things that are pretty reliably predicative.

I would say if you are looking for ghosts its more likely you are hoping to get lucky.

Sometimes analysis is awesome but its not infallible. Sometimes you get lucky or unlucky, if folks want to dissect it after the fact and claim to be a visionary that's fine.

Jarace is a fine bet at #9. I prefer Hendricks because of the bankable things I think he's shown. Either guy could have a "ghost skill". Either guy could get derailed by injury... both guys are solid bets.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Jarace continues to be worrisome to me. I don’t know exactly how he is getting pegged as some consensus top-6/7 prospect. 34.7% from 3 and 66.3% from FT. I’ve been told his passing is his best ability but he’s terrible at creating so how will he showcase that? He’s not a good finisher at the rim either.

I will go out on a limb and say he has the biggest bust potential out of any of the other guys projected to go in the top-7.
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If numbers tell everything you need to know, then scouts would be out of the job imo.

Personally I don’t think numbers tell you everything.

It’s part of the analysis, sure, but I personally would only give it 50%.

The rest comes from interviewing him, talking to his coaches, talking to his teammates, psycho analysis, analyipsing his movement, his game, the eye test, etc, etc,.
 
ONE LOVE said:
If numbers tell everything you need to know, then scouts would be out of the job imo.

Personally I don’t think numbers tell you everything.

It’s part of the analysis, sure, but I personally would only give it 50%.

The rest comes from interviewing him, talking to his coaches, talking to his teammates, psycho analysis, analyipsing his movement, his game, the eye test, etc, etc,.
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To me numbers tell you where to look.
 
default said:
I frequently see arguments debating forwards Hendrix and Walker, but I am really wondering if Leonard Miller should be in this same discussion. I'm not 100% convinced that he isn't just as good.
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Better than Hendricks imo but falls short of Walker
 
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