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Elizah Huge said:
Why? They could just trade back to 9 and get whoever falls. Maybe the guy they like at 5 falls or better yet the two guys they like at 5 fall. Plus they get 16 sounds like a no brainer. Are they stupid?
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Right But the Jazz could just keep 9/16 and maybe the same thing could happen for them
Would prefer Jazz keep 9/16 and get two good players
 
Bawse Dawg said:
'Everyone' is referring more to like message board casuals like us though, right? Like if I said I like all four of those guys and would be happy with any of them, that's one thing. An entire NBA team scouting department who has been watching these guys for years though, I hope would feel a little more strongly. You can like them for different reasons, but you still need to know who you like more than the others, and how much more. When you take into account team fit, personality, etc. I would think (and damn well hope) that the Jazz have a very clear ranking of who they like best.

Whether or not they like them so much as to give up assets to move up for one in particular is a different discussion of course.
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exactly. In my scenario the jazz had watched all these guys for years and really liked them all. They had imagined ways each player could fit with the team and culture. They liked some better than others but really liked all 4 for different reasons. Some would cost more assets than others so they pick the guy they really like that doesn't cost assets.

Like i might really like the new ford bronco and also a new hybrid camry and also the new honda accord and also the kia telluride. I might even like the telluride more than the others but it costs 15,000 dollars more so I might rather get one of the other three that i really like because im happy with all 4 and the telluride is more expensive.
 
The entire point of trading up is to get your guy. If Black is 5 on our big board why should we stay at 9 and be content because the 7th or 8th guy might be there. That’s what some of you are arguing.
 
i'm fairly confident when it comes to moving up, jazz brass will prove to agree with me. the cost of moving up won't be worth the potential benefit.
 
fishonjazz said:
exactly. In my scenario the jazz had watched all these guys for years and really liked them all. They had imagined ways each player could fit with the team and culture. They liked some better than others but really liked all 4 for different reasons. Some would cost more assets than others so they pick the guy they really like that doesn't cost assets.

Like i might really like the new ford bronco and also a new hybrid camry and also the new honda accord and also the kia telluride. I might even like the telluride more than the others but it costs 15,000 dollars more so I might rather get one of the other three that i really like because im happy with all 4 and the telluride is more expensive.
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Fair enough. Seems like we mostly agree. I think I was just caught on the 4A-4D thing. Even in your analogy, you like one car more than the rest, it's just the extra cost that gives you pause.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
i'm fairly confident when it comes to moving up, jazz brass will prove to agree with me. the cost of moving up won't be worth the potential benefit.
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That’s an entire different argument dude. If it costs 2-3 extra firsts then I wouldn’t do that either. If it’s one first then I’m all over it.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Givony mentioned trading up specifically for Black.
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Elizah Huge said:
He also said we want Black.
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Shad said:
I'm really hoping the Black stuff is smoke. He's probably the last person I'd take out of the top 10
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I have my worries about Black... but I also love a ton of things about his game and his defense. If you think you can develop his shot, IMO Black can turn into a great winning piece of a contending team. He probably won't be an MVP-level talent because of lack of self-creation, but... I think you can do much worse at 9.
 
Elizah Huge said:
The entire point of trading up is to get your guy. If Black is 5 on our big board why should we stay at 9 and be content because the 7th or 8th guy might be there. That’s what some of you are arguing.
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that's not right. at least not for me. the way i would put it is that if black is 5 on our big board and say, hendricks is 6 on our big board and jhs is 7th on our big board and intel tells us hendricks and jhs will be there at 9, but black won't, it may not be worth the cost to get black, when i can get hendricks or jhs.
 
Elizah Huge said:
That’s an entire different argument dude. If it costs 2-3 extra firsts then I wouldn’t do that either. If it’s one first then I’m all over it.
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that's what i've been arguing the entire time. anybody would move up if it's free to move up. the argument has always been whether or not it costs too much to make it worth it. my feeling is that the cost is probably too much - that 4-9 are close enough in talent and potential that the cost to move up isn't worth it.
 
Elizah Huge said:
That’s an entire different argument dude. If it costs 2-3 extra firsts then I wouldn’t do that either. If it’s one first then I’m all over it.
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I still would love a best of both worlds trade where we give 9/16/Unprotected Cavs or Minny pick for 6/11... Move up from both spots.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Also said we are talking about moving to 6 or 7 too for Anthony Black. Said we are being active. I would guess those deals depend on how the board falls.

I would guess that Black is a little higher on our board than Cam/Ausar. Could be smoke and we want Walker... all I really truly believe is we are trying to move up.
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I hope we're able to move up and get our guy, whether that's Black or Walker or whoever. If not, I'm more than fine keeping 9 and 16...that way we could grab a guard and a wing, and I really think someone good is going to fall to 9, maybe even Cam.
 
That sounds like awful value for Indiana.

Present picks are more valuable than future picks, and this draft in particular is supposed to be deep as hell compared to next. Why trade 29 and 32 of this year's draft for 40 and something likely in the ball park of 26-30 in next year's draft?
 
MT Steve said:
That sounds like awful value for Indiana.

Present picks are more valuable than future picks, and this draft in particular is supposed to be deep as hell compared to next. Why trade 29 and 32 of this year's draft for 40 and something likely in the ball park of 26-30 in next year's draft?
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Because they have so many picks this year like 5 before the trade happened.
 
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