Jazz trade for John Collins

[Coach Ellis]

I would much rather pay JC than Kuzma

Eh. If the contracts are equal, I’d prefer Kuzma - mainly because I think he has more positional versatility than Collins does. I do think that I’d rather have 25 year old John Collins on 3-$78 vs 28 year old Kyle Kuzma on 4-$100+ (which I think he’s likely to get.

Collins likely fills the role that Vanderbilt had last season. I’m good with that. It’s a buy low, value rehab bet. The salary is high, but I think the Jazz are going to start putting together some mid-sized contracts to have some options available when they go to make a consolidation trade this year or next.

 

[Hedda Gambler]

Speaking of Lauri, taking this deal eats into basically all of the flexibility the Jazz would've had before doing the renegotiate and extend the following year.

In other words, this is pretty much it now for building in the next two years. I don't think they flip Collins for at least another season and a half.

Only if they were planning to sign players to max deals in FA this or next off season. Even if we R&E Lauri to the max for 24/25, him, Collins and Sexton would only take half of the cap combined. We are still very fine financially and have a lot of flexibility.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

For whatever it's worth, that finger picture is from March 2022. I have no idea what it's like now. But here's a doctor talking about it back then.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRz5VYsluM4&ab_channel=BrianSuttererMD

Some one give me the TLDR summary... I will pay you with a like or a love depending on quality tia.

 

[outerspacefan]

How is he defensively?

There's this tendency to be cool and just watch dude's moving around him... but hey he's got the tools... or so they say as if the tools were good for someone laying at the toolbox.
At some point as a good fan I will decide to have faith that the change of scenery and bla bla bla...

 

[fishonjazz]

View: https://twitter.com/Tjonesonthenba/status/1673403583730184193

He did have opportunity last year doe

 

[Mongoose]

He's a much better and more promising asset than Rudy Gay is- thats for sure.
Folks here that want to sign Kuz for 30M a year should see this as a discount

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Only if they were planning to sign players to max deals in FA this or next off season. Even if we R&E Lauri to the max for 24/25, him, Collins and Sexton would only take half of the cap combined. We are still very fine financially and have a lot of flexibility.

If the argument is just salary fodder that is really easy to come by. You either get a guy and get second rounders or you can sign guys to 1+1 deals in FA at one year bloated prices. In star trades the expiring deal likely has more value than the longer deal attached to an okay player. Can also split up the asset a bit and sell mutiple times.

We have loads of flexibility so it is fine. Flexibility does tend to go quick though... so hopefully this was a good bet.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Has Collins ever had a real coach outside of Quin last year? Like, someone who would help him develop?

Yeah... I mean there are definitely reasons for optimism on him. Coaching, trae, role, finger, etc.

 

[Flc]

Also Windy thought this was going to go down on Friday. Wonder why it got delayed. Windhorst definitely has a source in the Jazz FO.

 

[fishonjazz]

It's funny to me people dislike this trade when they loved the Hendricks pick

Collins is the more talented version of Hendricks.

Not last year's version of Collins. Go agreed and pull the stats. Hendricks are better I guarantee it

 

[Elizah Huge]

I’m not scared of contracts like these. The Warriors just attached a first with Poole and got back expiring salary. It’s not hard to get rid of as the worst case scenario. He will be an expiring in two years if it doesn’t work out.

 

[Watcher]

Some one give me the TLDR summary... I will pay you with a like or a love depending on quality tia.

Something like...swelling and flexion is from ruptured tendon on top of the knuckle. Would need to be braced (fully extended) for quite a while to heal but doctor wasn't sure how Hawks were planning to treat it.