Summer League Thread

[fishonjazz]

The thing that sparked this whole argument is a guy saying that French guys are overrated and they are overrated because they are French. What me and @stitches have been saying this whole time is that it's dumb to dislike Bilal on the basis of being French. Questioning his production is not a dumb argument. I think there are reasons to believe he's better than the raw production, but that's besides the point. If we had a problem with the production based argument, we would not have said "you should actually be talking about his low production/rawness" multiple times. One of the reasons this French = Overrated stuff is ridiculous in the first place is that there are very obvious question marks about Bilal.

What if you question his production AND also point out that he is playing in a league that, for whatever reason, doesn't produce much nba talent? Would you allow that or is it too insane?

 

[fishonjazz]

IMO if you just evaluate the player the whole is he French or Spaniard or Greek or German becomes completely irrelevant. There is nothing about being French that should make his shooting and offensive polish any better than it is on the tape. There is nothing about being French that will make his 7'2" wingspan any shorter or his athleticism any less impressive. Just freaking evaluate the player, his skills and his tools. "French" doesn't tell me anything about him as a basketball player. "French" is not a basketball attribute and you should ever see it as a basketball descriptor on a basketball scouting report. "Well, he's long and athletic but his jumpshot is very French"...

To me focusing on him being French adds nothing and describes nothing about him that we don't already know by just... watching him play.

But there is a competition level to look at. Just like in other sports. Like HH mentioned, when nfl teams draft a player from a school like BYU or UNLV they need to look at the talent level in those conferences and determine if the good things about a player might have something to do with the competition of the opponents.
Then there is also the style of play being different from the nba. There is also a different set of rules in the nba vs the french league. Different culture. Etc. That all can be considered as well when evaluating a prospect.

 

[fishonjazz]

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Prove him wrong. he said french prospects are overrated and haven't done anything in the league for over a decade. Post some evidence showing those statements to be untrue.

 

[fishonjazz]

Saying that a prospect is bad because he is French or that a prospect is bad because he played in the French league is dumb.

He said none of that. he said french prospects are over rated and haven't done anthing in the league in a period of time. Prove him wrong.

 

[Udidthizz]

I enjoy this forum a lot, am a daily reader and appreciate everyone that contributes, but some of the discussions make me lose the will to live...

 

[fishonjazz]

The problem is that we don't have access to a universe splitter so we can see what happens with that counterfactual where Bilal plays in college. We don't know what he would have done for Villanova or Florida or Arkansas... Maybe he's better and is given more responsibility... maybe he's even worse...

Yep. So we can only speak in facts. Fact is that prospects from that league have been overrated and aint done ****.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Lmao love that Elizah backtracked to it not being about being French and now Fish is back to saying it's because they are French.

Got to love it

 

[fishonjazz]

Lmao love that Elizah backtracked to it not being about being French and now Fish is back to saying it's because they are French.

Got to love it

Link to where I posted anything is because anyone is french? What I posted is that eliza statements were true. If you have any evidence to the contrary then by all means post it.

 

[stitches]

But there is a competition level to look at. Just like in other sports. Like HH mentioned, when nfl teams draft a player from a school like BYU or UNLV they need to look at the talent level in those conferences and determine if the good things about a player might have something to do with the competition of the opponents.
Then there is also the style of play being different from the nba. There is also a different set of rules in the nba vs the french league. Different culture. Etc. That all can be considered as well when evaluating a prospect.

The French league is better than any college conference in the US IMO. Monaco will wipe the floor with any college team you put in front of them.

 

[Elizah Huge]

The French league is better than any college conference in the US IMO. Monaco will wipe the floor with any college team you put in front of them.

Why hasn’t it produced any NBA players in the last decade?

 

[Elizah Huge]

Link to where I posted anything is because anyone is french? What I posted is that eliza statements were true. If you have any evidence to the contrary then by all means post it.

These French prospects just so happen to play in the French League I’m talking about. Cy has an extremely hard time arguing in good faith so it’s per usual for him.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The French league is better than any college conference in the US IMO. Monaco will wipe the floor with any college team you put in front of them.

Yeah, people love to ignore the fact Bilal was playing against a top Euroleague team in the Finals and making an impact.