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Who Would You Rather Have: Herro or Holiday?

Assuming price is relatively equal, who would you rather have?

  • Herro

  • Holiday


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What is the plan for next year then? Stink up the joint to hold on to our pick one more year and give OKC a pick in the better draft of 2025?

It's not about contending this year. Its about progressing as a team. You dont just decide to suck this year and then flip the switch next year with the same players. Nor do you just magically reflip the roster into something else. Our only logical plan now is to maximize what we can do with the current roster without making big sacrifices. So push for playoffs giving OKC the worst possible pick and putting us one step closer to contention.

Using 1 or 2 draft picks in a trade does not deplete our war chest... but it could be the difference between 6th seed and 10th in the competitive west.
There is a huge difference between making a win now move with a 23 year old like Herro and one for a 33yr old. There is also a big difference between going out of your way to be terrible and going out of your way to focus on building our young core. As currently assembled I think we are a better team than last year but the teams around us in the west are better as well and a likely bottom 4 team. Trading for Jrue doesn't make us a legitimate contender and he immediately becomes a depreciating asset because of his age and contract situation. I see all these people posting about how we need to win now with Lauri on his cheap contract and keep him happy. That type of thinking is shortsighted and has failed too many teams to count. They suddenly have a guy that they view as a franchise player and want to bring in vets around him to win now and it usually blows up in their face because they turn into a solid but limited team with older regressing players and the star looks around and doesn't see a good path forward for the future. We just went down that road with a far more proven team. You say it's not about contending this year but progressing as a team which I agree is the goal but the problem is Jrue doesn't fit the timeline of progression. While other guys are progressing he is regressing and that is not what you want from a guy that will cost you a bunch of assets and salary.

As far as our draft pick goes I would much rather have a top 10 pick in the 2024 draft than a pick in the 15-20 range in the 2025 draft. There is a lot of **** talking on this board about the 2024 draft like they are all experts. There are plenty of very talented players in this draft and the top 10 should give you plenty of good choices.
 
There is a huge difference between making a win now move with a 23 year old like Herro and one for a 33yr old. There is also a big difference between going out of your way to be terrible and going out of your way to focus on building our young core. As currently assembled I think we are a better team than last year but the teams around us in the west are better as well and a likely bottom 4 team. Trading for Jrue doesn't make us a legitimate contender and he immediately becomes a depreciating asset because of his age and contract situation. I see all these people posting about how we need to win now with Lauri on his cheap contract and keep him happy. That type of thinking is shortsighted and has failed too many teams to count. They suddenly have a guy that they view as a franchise player and want to bring in vets around him to win now and it usually blows up in their face because they turn into a solid but limited team with older regressing players and the star looks around and doesn't see a good path forward for the future. We just went down that road with a far more proven team. You say it's not about contending this year but progressing as a team which I agree is the goal but the problem is Jrue doesn't fit the timeline of progression. While other guys are progressing he is regressing and that is not what you want from a guy that will cost you a bunch of assets and salary.

As far as our draft pick goes I would much rather have a top 10 pick in the 2024 draft than a pick in the 15-20 range in the 2025 draft. There is a lot of **** talking on this board about the 2024 draft like they are all experts. There are plenty of very talented players in this draft and the top 10 should give you plenty of good choices.
That's a huge block of fart sounds
 
I think Pacers would want THT
Maybe. I think Pacers will move Hield and McConnell at some point. THT or Sexton would theoretically fit in to different iterations of the backcourt there.
 
Jrue might be the best point of attack guy... if you add him to Walker and Lauri... the defense might be like top 4-5. If the contract stuff looks like it will line up I think the high cost now might look just fine... if we did have a follow up move in the next 6-12 months or if Key/Taylor/Brice glow up... look out.
You are talking about so much what ifs while completely ignoring the fact that Jrue will be in full regression shortly. You are looking at probably 2 years for Key, Taylor and Brice to glow up and odds are at least one of them is a bust. Even Walker is a pretty big unknown at this point in time after only one season and Lauri with only one really good season. At this point we have way too many unknowns for it to be worth making a strong win now move for a 33yr old with 14yrs of mileage. If we have learned anything over the years it is that guys are constantly becoming available during the season so if everything is looking good during the 1st part of the season then you can go into more of a win now mode.
 
I think Ainge feels we have too many overlapping players at the guard spot. I think he is looking for the best 2 for 1 move. Hero makes sense, but you can always make a good argument for Jrue. Both are flawed but I think we kind of suck if we just have overlapping semi good players.
 
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Something like this... maybe cut out the Mavs and just have Buddy in Portland as trade bait at the deadline.

What a brutal trade idea. The last thing you want to do is give up those 2027 picks. I hate the idea of trading for Holiday but if you do it then you send out 2025 picks when you know the wolves and cavs will still be good. A lot can change by 2027.
 
You are talking about so much what ifs while completely ignoring the fact that Jrue will be in full regression shortly. You are looking at probably 2 years for Key, Taylor and Brice to glow up and odds are at least one of them is a bust. Even Walker is a pretty big unknown at this point in time after only one season and Lauri with only one really good season. At this point we have way too many unknowns for it to be worth making a strong win now move for a 33yr old with 14yrs of mileage. If we have learned anything over the years it is that guys are constantly becoming available during the season so if everything is looking good during the 1st part of the season then you can go into more of a win now mode.
Jrue has shown zero signs of regression. He's a tank and not like Mike or other smallish guards that rely on speed/change of direction.

I only worry about contract. If we have the contract we can trade him later if it looks like things aren't lining up.
 
What a brutal trade idea. The last thing you want to do is give up those 2027 picks. I hate the idea of trading for Holiday but if you do it then you send out 2025 picks when you know the wolves and cavs will still be good. A lot can change by 2027.
Its an idea of what it would take to get it done. I am not giving out 2025 picks... its the Cooper Flagg draft and even if we only have 1-2% chance cuz Cavs or Minny missed the play in... then you take it... he's the next guy.

Don could be out of Cleveland as soon as next year so all teh unprotected picks have value. 2025 was a draft preference for me.
 
And look... I know the trades I have proposed are pricey. That is what it will take imo. When you are shopping for a beach house you don't bring an apartment budget.

I'm cool if anyone thinks its too pricey or they wouldn't do it. I do think that is the market and he is worth it... to someone.
 
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