Should we go full rebuild?

[sip]

It's just funny how optimistic some Jazz fans are about the future of other teams, but entirely negative when it comes to the Jazz's despite the Jazz having a great roster, great picks, great FO, and a great coach.

It's funny how optimistic you are when you trashed half our roster yet somehow it is a great roster. Right now the odds are that the wolves and cavs picks will be outside the lottery. Not sure yet how good the front office is because they have made some really good moves mixed with very strange moves. Hardy is still very unproven as a coach.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

IDK but this just infuriates me to no end.

The Jazz have done the same thing two trade-deadlines in a row. How is that not a plan? It may not be a plan you like all that much, but they are clearly following some kind of guideline.

Okay, I'll meet you there.

So the only way we can possibly decipher the plan as you describe it would be to say that the plan is "Go into each season trying to be competitive and make the playoffs, if by the trade deadline it is clear they aren't very good, sell off veteran pieces to tank the last third of the season and help draft position as much as possible"

That must be the plan right? Do you like that plan?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Agreed in general, but great roster?

Lauri is a top 20 player. Sexton is top 50/60 (may not be a long-term piece because of how they view Keyonte (which should excite us), but hopefully someone out there recognizes his value)

Four players on rookie contracts all who have at least rotation player potential. Hardy thinks Keyonte has star potential. The Jazz will most likely add another top 10 pick to that mix. They also have a ton of cap-space to do things.

There's only one bad contract on the roster, which is John Collins. I still think he can be a positive impact player if put in the right role. Same with Clarkson.

 

[Tanktastic]

Not to mention the fact that it would be pretty hard for Clarkson to have a worse season next year (if we keep him) and Collins should be a better player next year after having a year with the team.

Why would these be good for the franchise?

The team will have the three rookies, quite possibly three new rookies and you're taking optimism from JC X2 making them absolutely mid.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Okay, I'll meet you there.

So the only way we can possibly decipher the plan as you describe it would be to say that the plan is "Go into each season trying to be competitive and make the playoffs, if by the trade deadline it is clear they aren't very good, sell off veteran piece to take the last third of the season and help draft position as much as possible"

That must be the plan right? Do you like that plan?

So far I do like the plan. It's working. The Jazz are building a team. They helped develop Lauri into a top 20 guy. They helped develop Sexton into a winning player who is arguably top 50. They seem to have nailed their first draft. The Clarkson extensions and Collins trade seem to be negatives at this point, but there is still time to salvage those.

The players they have held out on trading have gotten more valuable. The Jazz wanted to trade Conley to the Lakers before the season started but the Lakers werent playing ball. They waited and they turned Conley into a 2027 first that has the potential to be extremely valuable. They turned Simone from a guy who seemed like might be out of the NBA into the 32nd pick (a trade I still hate, but they gained value from where we thought he was at the start of the season). They turned KO/Ochai into a first rounder. We all had higher hopes for Ochai going into the season, but turning those two into a late first was a phenomenal move.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Okay, I'll meet you there.

So the only way we can possibly decipher the plan as you describe it would be to say that the plan is "Go into each season trying to be competitive and make the playoffs, if by the trade deadline it is clear they aren't very good, sell off veteran pieces to tank the last third of the season and help draft position as much as possible"

That must be the plan right? Do you like that plan?

I think that is kind of the plan for now... which is not fantastic but its not the end of the world. You mentioned it in another post... since the top of the draft is so meh its okay for a year. Last year I think they thought they would have time to tank harder and we got off to too good of a start.

I think because of the Lauri extension they will need to be a little more firm with their planning this summer (if you get a big contract vet like Collins they need to be a better fit). But I think their plan is still "we will take paths that seem like good transactions and fit our long term goals". That could mean adding win-now talent. It could mean subtracting win-now talent if the offers are good.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Why would these be good for the franchise?

The team will have the three rookies, quite possibly three new rookies and you're taking optimism from JC X2 making them absolutely mid.

Why would Jazz players playing better than this year be good for the franchise? Is that the question you are asking me? Sorry, just want to make sure my idiot translator is working properly.

 

[Tanktastic]

They seem to have nailed their first draft.

Keyonte looks like a good pick so far. Hendricks has played in 33 games and started 16. And Sensabaugh hasn't shown anything so far. Evaluating drafts a year out is a fool's errand, but "nailing" it seems awfully generous.

They waited and they turned Conley into a 2027 first that has the potential to be extremely valuable.

It's a mid pick. Nothing more, nothing less right now. Sure, it might become the 5th pick. Or it might be a 2nd rounder.

They turned KO/Ochai into a first rounder. We all had higher hopes for Ochai going into the season, but turning those two into a late first was a phenomenal move.

They turned the 14th pick and KO into a high-20s pick. I don't think the FO can get props for running a player's value down for 1½ seasons and then rescuing something for him.

Why would Jazz players playing better than this year be good for the franchise? Is that the question you are asking me? Sorry, just want to make sure my idiot translator is working properly.

Why would John Collins playing well or whatever and taking up 30 minutes be good for the Jazz. You factor in Lauri, Collins and Kessler playing decently and that's 86/96 mins out of the 4/5 spots taken up. So Hendricks is playing 10+ minutes. And JC playing decently takes up 30 minutes from the guard rotation.

Either the incoming rookies play zero minutes or the Jazz move on from Hendricks and definitely Sensabaugh.

And for what? To compete for the last play-in spot next year? If playing those vets in major roles to be 10th is a good thing, then I guess you must hate the deadline moves the Jazz have made so far...

If next January the Jazz are sitting 10th with major contributions from JC and Collins, and the rookies are in the G league... isn't it just groundhog day?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Keyonte looks like a good pick so far. Hendricks has played in 33 games and started 16. And Sensabaugh hasn't shown anything so far. Evaluating drafts a year out is a fool's errand, but "nailing" it seems awfully generous.


It's a mid pick. Nothing more, nothing less right now. Sure, it might become the 5th pick. Or it might be a 2nd rounder.


They turned the 14th pick and KO into a high-20s pick. I don't think the FO can get props for running a player's value down for 1½ seasons and then rescuing something for him.


Why would John Collins playing well or whatever and taking up 30 minutes be good for the Jazz. You factor in Lauri, Collins and Kessler playing decently and that's 86/96 mins out of the 4/5 spots taken up. So Hendricks is playing 10+ minutes. And JC playing decently takes up 30 minutes from the guard rotation.

Either the incoming rookies play zero minutes or the Jazz move on from Hendricks and definitely Sensabaugh.

And for what? To compete for the last play-in spot next year? If playing those vets in major roles to be 10th is a good thing, then I guess you must hate the deadline moves the Jazz have made so far...

If next January the Jazz are sitting 10th with major contributions from JC and Collins, and the rookies are in the G league... isn't it just groundhog day?

This is overloading my idiot translator.

 

[FrenchJazzFa]

It's just funny how optimistic some Jazz fans are about the future of other teams, but entirely negative when it comes to the Jazz's despite the Jazz having a great roster, great picks, great FO, and a great coach.

Grear roster? Could be or not? Will depend how youngs can improve.
Time will tell.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Surely if it’s the only way to do it you’d have a single example of it working out that way?

There are. Its still not easy and not many teams are able to do it because they don’t fully commit and there are plenty of examples of teams that didn’t win but were still contenders like everyone thought they could but just didn’t.

 

[Elizah Huge]

So teams should just put every other aspect on hold until they get a guy they think can develop into a MVP?

This actually is something I see thrown around a lot on Twitter.