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Has Kessler surpassed Gobert?

Has Kessler surpassed Gobert?

  • Yes, Kessler is better now

    Votes: 9 17.3%

  • They are on the same level

    Votes: 7 13.5%

  • No, Gobert is better now

    Votes: 28 53.8%

  • Too early to know for sure

    Votes: 8 15.4%
  • Total voters
    52
LogGrad98 said:
Usage matters here. Kessler doesn't do much with the ball at all really, limiting his chances to get a turnover.
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Yep. Kessler also might just have better hands
 
fishonjazz said:
That's very true. Could still also be true that Kessler is just better at blocking shots.
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Could be. But again, at least for me, the eye test favors Gobert. Many of Gobert's blocks were nothing short of super-human. Think about those where the offensive player had him beat for a layup and somehow he turned took 2 steps and blocked it at the rim. He is so much more athletic than Kessler that his blocks were earned by chasing it down. Kessler is still in that phase where he gets challenged and most of his blocks are pretty straight up blocks at the rim as expected. I don't know maybe I'm being irrational about it being a huge Gobert fan but I think if people actively avoided Kessler the way they did Gobert he wouldn't get nearly as many blocks even as Gobert did.
 
fishonjazz said:
Yep. Kessler also might just have better hands
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Maybe but you can check touches as advanced stats. My bet is Kessler gets far fewer touches.

Now even as a Gobert homer though, I'll admit Kessler will probably be much better in this area in the long run. He's definitely much more offensively coordinated than Gobert, no doubt. That's always been the biggest knock on Gobert, and will end up being the worse knock on him for his career.

Despite the fact that he lead the entire league in offensive efficiency for what, 2 seasons? He's still very underrated on offense and always will be.
 
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Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Kessler has quicker feet and slightly quicker reactions than Gobert.
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This is tough to measure objectively obviously but I'd argue his reaction time isn't any better than Gobert's. Maybe he has quicker feet but we've seen a lot more recovery/block at the rim combos from Gobert than Kessler. Seems that if they can get by Kessler then he's just beat. Gobert blocked a lot of those at the rim anyway.
 
LogGrad98 said:
This is tough to measure objectively obviously but I'd argue his reaction time isn't any better than Gobert's. Maybe he has quicker feet but we've seen a lot more recovery/block at the rim combos from Gobert than Kessler. Seems that if they can get by Kessler then he's just beat. Gobert blocked a lot of those at the rim anyway.
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I think that is more about length than quick feet/reactions

That's one area where gobert will always have Kessler beat. Can't teach length. (Plus I think gobert has a better vertical as well)
 
fishonjazz said:
I think that is more about length than quick feet/reactions

That's one area where gobert will always have Kessler beat. Can't teach length. (Plus I think gobert has a better vertical as well)
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Agreed. For Gobert I would chalk up a lot of his blocks to defensive instincts and quick recovery/reaction as things are going on around him. Not necessarily "quick feet" or hands or whatever but an elite feel for how the play develops and response time to follow the play and disrupt it or get the block. I think in just defensive aptitude coupled with physical abilities and skill he is the kind of defensive package you see maybe once a generation. Tough to lock down 4 DPOY without it. Should have been 5 by the way, he got robbed when they gave it to Smart and you could argue he got robbed when they gave it to Draymond as well. No matter what we say about these individual stats, it'll take quite a bit for Kessler to equal or surpass Gobert in this area, if he ever does. But right now it's not particularly close.
 
anyone tuning in to the wolves mavs today has a front row seat. Gobert pulled down an offensive board and then drop stepped on the left block to put up a layup, which then flew 3 feet past the rim and didn’t even hit back board. Kessler surpassed gobert awhile ago. Kessler has so much more coordination and feel around the basket. People would say gobert finishes better but Kessler has never had the luxury of a Donavan Mitchell or a ant/Kat to be able to compare apples to apples. You have to acknowledge their offensive games when considering their defense. Gobert still has defense but I’ll take Kessler with a better overall game
 
zags422 said:
Kessler surpassed gobert awhile ago.
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Uhhhhhh.


Suuuuuurrre.

He "completely surpassed" a 4x DPOY who lead the league in offensive efficiency twice for entire seasons "a while ago", so in his rookie year? Um. Yeah.

The irrational Gobert hate is beyond ridiculous, bordering on fully absurd.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Uhhhhhh.


Suuuuuurrre.

He "completely surpassed" a 4x DPOY who lead the league in offensive efficiency twice for entire seasons "a while ago", so in his rookie year? Um. Yeah.

The irrational Gobert hate is beyond ridiculous, bordering on fully absurd.
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When all you do is dunk makes your offensive efficiency ratings a bit higher than reality
 
Yall have short memories. Gobert had terrible hands. I loved Gobert on defense but on offense, guards would dish to him and he bobbled so many balls. It was so maddening because if he could just catch the ball he would have been so much better at the time.

That's where his turnovers often came. Unforced mistakes.

Offensively Gobert was locked down by 6'1" guards in the playoffs. Quin didn't trust Gobert with the ball so we watched Spida chuck.
 
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