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I want the Jazz to lose.

^ And bc it's the NBA I try to remember it's more for entertainment than anything else. If I want to watch serious basketball I'm tuning for euro hoops or international games in Olympics, euros and world champs. Or NBA playoffs.
 
fishonjazz said:
Lauri, Sexton, and Collins are all very successful. Getting into the NBA is hard. Getting huge multi million dollar contacts is quite successful imo.
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As people, as basketball players, yes.

As NBA players... Lauri and Collin have never played in a playoff game. If Collin is not traded, he'll probably soon be #2 on the active players list with most games without any playoff games (Lauri obvs being #1).
 
Tanktastic said:
As people, as basketball players, yes.

As NBA players... Lauri and Collin have never played in a playoff game. If Collin is not traded, he'll probably soon be #2 on the active players list with most games without any playoff games (Lauri obvs being #1).
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Ah and you think that if the jazz tried to win all the games this season then these players would have playoff success.
I see why you are confused now.
Those players have been on non tanking teams in the past and had the same amount of playoff success as they are going to have on this tanking team.

Not tanking doesn't equal playoff success.

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I have hardly been watching this year. But I get score updates on my phone. I was bummed last night when we were up big, and fist pumped when I got the final score notification.

It is what it is.
 
@Tremendous Upside apparently doesn’t believe his own words. He still hasn’t responded to my bet, and I ain’t letting it go. But I guess all he has to do is stay silent till after the trade deadline. So let’s see if you can take two weeks of me pestering you.
 
cctrackstar said:
No, not games, i want them to lose everything. their fanbase, the players they draft, their coach. everything. I've been alive a long time, and i find that honesty is top three most important things in life and tanking reeks of dishonesty. the fact that they can't outright declare it publicly, the fact that the coach talks about effort and trying at the same time as a third of the team is out for mysterious injuries, it's lying. lies. mamma told me not to lie. a bunch of times. these are multi million dollar contracts these guys are playing for, and they are either lying or being lied to. in the business world that's called fraud.

ok, i get it, that's the way the whole nba works, but again, they can't admit it because they would get reprimanded by the league, so the teams are corrupt, not the league. so i feel the same way about all of the teams that do it. yup, i'm not only am i not a jazz fan, i'm not an nba fan any more. i still like a few select players, but i doubt they remain on the team, whether they leave because the team sucks or because they are traded for other player that will leave the team because they suck.

i've said it before, i'd rather root for a decent team that has players who came her legitimately and want to be here than an imaginary finals team that we got by lying to the entire fanbase and cheating the system.
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You say you’re not an NBA fan anymore. But that’s how the cookie crumbles in the NBA and has crumbled for a long time. Teams tank to get a shot at drafting top players. As far as “mysterious injuries,” teams use various tactics to tank, but lying about injuries isn’t one of them (or at least it would be rare) because the league imposes penalties for false health/medical reports/statements.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Might be a bit of mental gymnastics here, but I never "root" for the Jazz to play badly. I just hope the other team makes shots. I still like when Jazz players make good plays.
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an underrated aspect of tanking that i think too many people overlook is that coaches and players don't tank. that win last night only hurt NOP - it did them zero good. yet CJ was still out there giving it everything, dropped 45 and the coach left him in there to do it.

i will admit that coaches will sit guys or hold guys out - at the behest of the front office - but he's coaching the hell out of the guys out on the floor.
 
NAOS_pt2 said:
It feels like some people need to be reminded that a proper tank involves more than just losing games. It also involves getting your contracts lined up to expire at the right times and in the right amounts. Being a good team is about more than just acquiring talent. It's also about having the ability to control the retention of talent and/or trade talent in the right combos in order to add to the team.

In other words, a proper tank isn't as easy as "lose games."
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Though I agree with the importance of much of this process, I just can't agree with you that "tanking" is really anything more than (usually purposeful) losing with hopes of doing better in the future.

All this other stuff is just part of good team management. I don't see it as inherent to tanking. Maybe it's better called "rebuilding." If you decide to lose (especially more than your talent warrants) with hopes of becoming better in the future, you can manage it better or worse, but it's still tanking.

And, as with all NBA team management, you need a great deal of luck (and often skill) to turn a tank into championship contention.

San Antonio didn't do anything special in terms of team management that I'm aware of. They were just bad for a while, then were super lucky in one of the years when it really mattered (14% chance and got Wemby), then lost a bunch more when Wemby was a rookie (because they were still trying to lose on purpose) and then got Castle. I don't see great non-losing "tanking" moves that they made. I guess they got some extra draft choices, but it's really only the Wemby luck that's the cause of everyone saying that tanking paid off for them.
 
idiot said:
Though I agree with the importance of much of this process, I just can't agree with you that "tanking" is really anything more than (usually purposeful) losing with hopes of doing better in the future.

All this other stuff is just part of good team management. I don't see it as inherent to tanking. Maybe it's better called "rebuilding" If you decide to lose (especially more than your talent warrants) with hopes of becoming better in the future, you can manage it better or worse, but it's still tanking.

And, as with all NBA team management, you need a great deal of luck (and often skill) to turn a tank into championship contention.

San Antonio didn't do anything special in terms of team management that I'm aware of. They were just bad for a while, then were super lucky in one of the years when it really mattered (14% chance and got Wemby), then lost a bunch more when Wemby was a rookie (because they were still trying to lose on purpose) and then got Castle. I don't great non-losing "tanking" moves that they made. I guess they got some extra draft choices, but it's really only the Wemby luck that's the cause of everyone saying that tanking paid off for them.
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ok, it's semantics. But if you want to get semantic, then I said "proper tank", iirc.
 
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