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My brother... this board never forgets.

Okay, here are a few takes for the future you can hold against me ----

** I think Tre Johnson is one of the most exciting pure scoring guard prospects since Ray Allen at Connecticut. And yes, I'm aware of guys like Klay Thompson, Devin Booker, Jamal Murray and Brad Beal. On the offensive side of the ball, I think Tre is more-or-less "can't miss." He's a quick-release shooter who can stop on a dime and hit from just about anywhere on the floor. He's excellent off of movement, to the point you could play him like Klay. He's physically developing at a good pace. I think he'll be able to pass well enough, and I think he can drive well enough. He doesn't know how to finish through contact or draw fouls at this stage, but he can work on those things. Like Keyonte, he's better off not trying to be your lead initiator, so he can just focus on scoring the ball and making plays off of his scoring as a primary option. I think Tre is the 3rd guy in this draft, behind Flagg and Harper, and Harper gets the nod mostly due to the positional value of a big lead guard who can put pressure on the rim.

** Ace Bailey is the de facto Paul George of this draft. But when I say this, I'm referring to PG coming out of Fresno State. Ace's ability to rise up and hit with range is pretty elite for an 18 y.o. I don't mind his irrational confidence. I think he does have a handle he can use and he should be more effective with NBA spacing. His problem is his high center of gravity and tight hips that currently kill his first step. I think he's a good athlete, even by NBA standards, and he should be a better, more creative version of Trey Murphy, who was also very limited on the ball coming into the league. I don't think Ace is actually that risky, despite the noise about his attitude and his inexperienced agent. The question with the Jazz is whether Ace clashes with the Jazz's desired playstyle. I have no idea what type of blueprint the Jazz want to build.

** I love Kon Knueppel's competitiveness, IQ, ability to process with the ball and his high skill level. I'm deeply concerned about his lack of footspeed. Like, if it turns out he can't play on the ball like a Walmart version of Luka Doncic, I'm not fully confident he can be a scorer in the mold of a Desmond Bane because I'm not sure how he gets space for himself. He might end up being a bigger version of Luke Kennard, who is also very skilled, but limited in role due to lack of physical tools. That is, Kon's lack of speed and burst might keep him from getting starter minutes. Even Brice Sensabaugh, whose athleticism is iffy, has advanced feel and timing shooting off the dribble. I'm not 100% sure that Kon has that at the current stage. Until yesterday, I didn't think the Jazz were actually serious about Kon.
 
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I think we've probably already established the context for Yang is that he played on a team with other great rebounders and that he wasn't one of their primary options on offense.

Just for fun though I found this website: https://www.asia-basket.com/China/basketball.aspx

Here are the Boban Marjanovic stats per 40 minutes: 31.9pts/15.3reb/4.9ast

More information, not necessarily helpful:

Yao Ming (C) 19 year old season in CBA: 21.2pts/14.5reb, Yao Ming Final year in CBA: 32.4pts/19reb.

Yi Jianlian (F) 19 year old season in CBA: 9.7pts/5.9reb, Yi Jianlian Final year in CBA before draft: 24.9pts/11.5reb

Zhou Qi (C)19 year old season in CBA: 15.8pts/9.7reb, Zhou Qi final year in CBA before draft 15.9pts/9.9reb

Wang Zhelin (C)19year old season in CBA 22.8pts/11.4reb, Wang Zhelin final year in CBA before draft 21.6[ts/11.5reb

Cui Yongxi (G) 19 year old season in CBA 11.9pts/5.5rpg, Cui Yongxi final year in CBA before draft 15.7pts/6.0rpg
 
Okay, here are a few takes for the future you can hold against me ----

** I think Tre Johnson is one of the most exciting pure scoring guard prospects since Ray Allen at Connecticut. And yes, I'm aware of guys like Klay Thompson, Devin Booker, Jamal Murray and Brad Beal. On the offensive side of the ball, I think Tre is more-or-less "can't miss." He's a quick-release shooter who can stop on a dime and hit from just about anywhere on the floor. He's excellent off of movement, to the point you could play him like Klay. He's physically developing at a good pace. I think he'll be able to pass well enough, and I think he can drive well enough. He doesn't know how to finish through contact or draw fouls at this stage, but he can work on those things. Like Keyonte, he's better off not trying to be your lead initiator, so he can just focus on scoring the ball and making plays off of his scoring as a primary option. I think Tre is the 3rd guy in this draft, behind Flagg and Harper, and Harper gets the nod mostly due to the positional value of a big lead guard who can put pressure on the rim.

** Ace Bailey is the de facto Paul George of this draft. But when I say this, I'm referring to PG coming out of Fresno State. Ace's ability to rise up and hit with range is pretty elite for an 18 y.o. I don't mind his irrational confidence. I think he does have a handle he can use and he should be more effective with NBA spacing. His problem is his high center of gravity and tight hips that currently kill his first step. I think he's a good athlete, even by NBA standards, and he should be a better, more creative version of Trey Murphy, who was also very limited on the ball coming into the league. I don't think Ace is actually that risky, despite the noise about his attitude and his inexperienced agent. The question with the Jazz is whether Ace clashes with the Jazz's desired playstyle. I have no idea what type of blueprint the Jazz want to build.

** I love Kon Knueppel's competitiveness, IQ, ability to process with the ball and his high skill level. I'm deeply concerned about his lack of footspeed. Like, if it turns out he can't play on the ball like a Walmart version of Luka Doncic, I'm not fully confident he can be a scorer in the mold of a Desmond Bane because I'm not sure how he gets space for himself. He might end up being a bigger version of Luke Kennard, who is also very skilled, but limited in role due to lack of physical tools. That is, Kon's lack of speed and burst might keep him from getting starter minutes. Even Brice Sensabaugh, whose athleticism is iffy, has advanced feel and timing shooting off the dribble. I'm not 100% sure that Kon has that at the current stage. Until yesterday, I didn't think the Jazz were actually serious about Kon.
sometimes i think you are the poster i disagree with most, then you come at me with this. it's scary how much i agree with this.
 
Okay, here are a few takes for the future you can hold against me ----

** I think Tre Johnson is one of the most exciting pure scoring guard prospects since Ray Allen at Connecticut. And yes, I'm aware of guys like Klay Thompson, Devin Booker, Jamal Murray and Brad Beal. On the offensive side of the ball, I think Tre is more-or-less "can't miss." He's a quick-release shooter who can stop on a dime and hit from just about anywhere on the floor. He's excellent off of movement, to the point you could play him like Klay. He's physically developing at a good pace. I think he'll be able to pass well enough, and I think he can drive well enough. He doesn't know how to finish through contact or draw fouls at this stage, but he can work on those things. Like Keyonte, he's better off not trying to be your lead initiator, so he can just focus on scoring the ball and making plays off of his scoring as a primary option. I think Tre is the 3rd guy in this draft, behind Flagg and Harper, and Harper gets the nod mostly due to the positional value of a big lead guard who can put pressure on the rim.

** Ace Bailey is the de facto Paul George of this draft. But when I say this, I'm referring to PG coming out of Fresno State. Ace's ability to rise up and hit with range is pretty elite for an 18 y.o. I don't mind his irrational confidence. I think he does have a handle he can use and he should be more effective with NBA spacing. His problem is his high center of gravity and tight hips that currently kill his first step. I think he's a good athlete, even by NBA standards, and he should be a better, more creative version of Trey Murphy, who was also very limited on the ball coming into the league. I don't think Ace is actually that risky, despite the noise about his attitude and his inexperienced agent. The question with the Jazz is whether Ace clashes with the Jazz's desired playstyle. I have no idea what type of blueprint the Jazz want to build.

** I love Kon Knueppel's competitiveness, IQ, ability to process with the ball and his high skill level. I'm deeply concerned about his lack of footspeed. Like, if it turns out he can't play on the ball like a Walmart version of Luka Doncic, I'm not fully confident he can be a scorer in the mold of a Desmond Bane because I'm not sure how he gets space for himself. He might end up being a bigger version of Luke Kennard, who is also very skilled, but limited in role due to lack of physical tools. That is, Kon's lack of speed and burst might keep him from getting starter minutes. Even Brice Sensabaugh, whose athleticism is iffy, has advanced feel and timing shooting off the dribble. I'm not 100% sure that Kon has that at the current stage. Until yesterday, I didn't think the Jazz were actually serious about Kon.
Saying things like Kon might be a "Walmart Luka" makes this board dumber just by having to read it.
 
Saying things like Kon might be a "Walmart Luka" makes this board dumber just by having to read it.

A lesser player in that floor leader role. With Kon, it’s a question of what role he can realistically play at the next level.

What can he do when he has NBA defenders in front of him?

And listening to you glaze Hansen Yang is embarrassing.
 
I think overreliance on player comps is the worst way to talk about the draft.
Yeah, but comps can be a useful tool when done right - when they compare a draft prospect with NBA players who, before entering the NBA, were similar to the prospect in question (age, skillset, archetype, playing style, physical attributes, etc), and then see how these NBA players developed over time.
 
It creates a point of reference that otherwise wouldn’t exist to the average post reader.
No, it just creates unrealistic expectations. We should evaluate players as individuals.

If you want to give someone a point of reference, just them an archetype you see them playing. Not a player.

Kon can do some playmaking without being labeled "Walmart Luka".
 
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