Why doesn't Utah have a Lottery?

[Stoked]

It took me like 2 minutes to find an updated article. Stop acting as if a simple google search is hard. It's really not that hard to do what you did, cut and splice information to promote your opinion.

Your very article talks about how the paradox was disappearing. Yet you failed to mention that. You merely quoted the first paragraph yet failed to mention the paragraphs a few spaces below.

Stop acting as if you are interested in a rational discussion. You and Salty are only interested in "scoring points".

 

[Deleted member 365]

No ****? Do you carry that soapbox around with you or rent one where ever you go?

It's not hard to see what gameface was doing.

When you see a person quote something... Then, just a few inches on the computer screen, there is more information that was purposely left out... It's really not hard to see what someone was trying to do.

Also, for what it's worth, as of the 2011 budget year Utah is still top ten in the nation in percentage of budget spent on education (32%).

The tax burdened has lessened for the majority of 10 years... Meaning, the pie has shrunk. Had tax rates maintained the same rate, there would have been much more money to dedicate to other programs, such as education.

Plus, education is too general... Meaning, despite x percentage still being dedicated to "education" much of those funds have been diverted to other destinations. Oftentimes, funds that were previously dedicated to K-12, are being absorbed by higher education facilities.

 

[Stoked]

It's not hard to see what gameface was doing.

When you see a person quote something... Then, just a few inches on the computer screen, there is more information that was purposely left out... It's really not hard to see what someone was trying to do.



The tax burdened has lessened for the majority of 10 years... Meaning, the pie has shrunk. Had tax rates maintained the same rate, there would have been much more money to dedicate to other programs, such as education.

Plus, education is too general... Meaning, despite x percentage still being dedicated to "education" much of those funds have been diverted to other destinations. Oftentimes, funds that were previously dedicated to K-12, are being absorbed by higher education facilities.

I personally have given up trying to have an actual discussion with you because whether you mean to or not you come off as more interested in gotcha comments than you do actual discussion.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Stop acting as if you are interested in a rational discussion. You and Salty are only interested in "scoring points".

Ummmm... I'm sorry if you disagree with the opinions here. But both salty and I have produced links and reports to our opinions about public education. If by "scoring points" indicates disspelling myths about public education, (such as Utah's # of students into the system is the #1 factor in poor per pupil spending. Or that AC helps students concentrate to learn) is considered "scoring points" then I guess we are scoring points.

In a rational discussion, one needs to be ready for opposing points of view. I only ask, that all parties provide up to date information and present it in a honest manner.

Otherwise, continue on with your "rational discussion" that AC in public schools is a waste of time....

 

[Deleted member 365]

I personally have given up trying to have an actual discussion with you because whether you mean to or not you come off as more interested in gotcha comments than you do actual discussion.

What factual information have you even presented?

Aside from your multiple personal attacks, the only post I've read in this thread that appears somewhat on topic is this one:

That is horribly false. Bad teachers, uninvolved parents, not properly using technology, political interference in education...all of these clearly contribute to the problem of our education.

Money alone is not the answer.

Political talking points and anecdotal data is typically not a good way to have a rational discussion with anyone. Especially over public education.

 

[Stoked]

Ummmm... I'm sorry if you disagree with the opinions here. But both salty and I have produced links and reports to our opinions about public education. If by "scoring points" indicates disspelling myths about public education, (such as Utah's # of students into the system is the #1 factor in poor per pupil spending. Or that AC helps students concentrate to learn) is considered "scoring points" then I guess we are scoring points.

In a rational discussion, one needs to be ready for opposing points of view. I only ask, that all parties provide up to date information and present it in a honest manner.

Otherwise, continue on with your "rational discussion" that AC in public schools is a waste of time....

Has nothing do do with you having a different view. If we only ever tlaked to those with the exact same views on everything **** would be boring.

It is that you are not interested in discussion. You are interested in "gotcha" replies. They are not one and the same. I am sorry that you cannot have a calm rational discussion with out snide comments.

 

[franklin]

 

[Stoked]

Otherwise, continue on with your "rational discussion" that AC in public schools is a waste of time....

See things like this right here. Childish. Not to mention the fact that I never said anythign of the kind, ever. I did not say it, imply it, hint or alllude to it in any way shape or form. If you were more interested in discussion than trying to be an *** you would see that.

Crap like that is why I never take you and Salty seriously on anything. It is why I will be disdainful of you and give you sarcastic replies. When you learn to tolerate others points of view in an adult manner let me know and I will change my approach.

That is how you soap box son.

 

[Deleted member 365]

See things like this right here. Childish. Not to mention the fact that I never said anythign of the kind, ever. I did not say it, imply it, hint or alllude to it in any way shape or form. If you were more interested in discussion than trying to be an *** you would see that.

Crap like that is why I never take you and Salty seriously on anything. It is why I will be disdainful of you and give you sarcastic replies. When you learn to tolerate others points of view in an adult manner let me know and I will change my approach.

That is how you soap box son.

You should read post 69...

 

[Deleted member 365]

Has nothing do do with you having a different view. If we only ever tlaked to those with the exact same views on everything **** would be boring.

It is that you are not interested in discussion. You are interested in "gotcha" replies. They are not one and the same. I am sorry that you cannot have a calm rational discussion with out snide comments.

Replies using updated data from the Utah Foundation are not gotcha replies. Unless of course, you disagree with their findings, then I guess you could characterize their findings as "gotcha replies" and whatever nonsense you're trying to describe them as.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Mississippi doesn't have a lottery either, but that is probably because they want people to gamble at the casinos more.

 

[Stoked]

Mississippi doesn't have a lottery either, but that is probably because they want people to gamble at the casinos more.

Yeah that always struck me as odd. In all actuallity the casinos were placed in Tunica County because Desoto County (the county that boarders Memphis) would not allow the casinos.