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KOC's Method of Negotiation

So what offer should they have made that a)would have been overall better than Raja Bell's deal. b) been good enough that Wes wouldn't have looked anywhere at all?
 
write4u said:
You guys are so thick. You don't get the point. There's a chance we lost in this matter, if Matthews develops into a great player. Apparently, Portland is very high on him. I still say a good GM who knows how to negotiate could've gotten Matthews for a lot less. Matthews himself has admitted this. KOC is just good at covering his ineptitude.
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Matthews wanted his cake and eat her, too. He got an incredible offer, agreed to it, and now cries because the Jazz didn't give him the same offer? Matthews should just call Jerry Sloan, thank him for making him a rich man, and then count his blessings. I've read comments that the Jazz should have offered between $3-4M per. Would Matthews have accepted that, given what Portland gave him? I doubt it. Even if he did, I still think $3-4M per for a one year guy is way too much. I hope he does well. I like him and I have no ill-will toward anyone who leaves for a better situation. Just don't burn the bridge when you leave.
 
Again, you're looking at the short term, plus there are other factors to consider besides money here. It's not about how much money, but also how it affects your career, and in the long term this does affect how much money you make. I don't see this as a good career decision for Matthews, and now he is realizing it. It also probably is not going to be a good decision long-term for the Jazz. Like I said, Raja will be good for a couple of years. But I can't wait to see you guys eat your words down the line.

The point of this thread is not Matthews. It's about KOC and how he negotiates. The proof is in the pudding. It's opening us to getting raped. It's making us vulnerable to losing players that we want. It's not smart; it's trying to low ball people and getting them on the cheap. It's not respectable and shows a lack of integrity.
 
write4u said:
Again, you're looking at the short term, plus there are other factors to consider besides money here. It's not about how much money, but also how it affects your career, and in the long term this does affect how much money you make. I don't see this as a good career decision for Matthews, and now he is realizing it. It also probably is not going to be a good decision long-term for the Jazz. Like I said, Raja will be good for a couple of years. But I can't wait to see you guys eat your words down the line.
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Isn't the guy they drafted at #9 their long term plan? Why tie up Matthews, who is still unproven, when they have a guy they liked so much they took him at #9? Bell is a stop gap. Matthews could have been a long term mistake. The Deacon is the answer. Fast offerings.
 
My main gripe is the reactive and not proactive approach. Hindsight will always be easier to understand details that weren't there at the time this all went down in real time. I think KOC needs to at least put an offer out, even if it's a low ball. Had they offered $2mill Portland would have been less inclined to be so aggressive perhaps in their raise. This could have amounted to Utah matching a lesser offer than what they were forced to decide on. All in all, it's not a catastrophic loss, but I think it could have been far better handled. I think Wes wanted to be here... But congrats to him on his pay raise. He'll be as great as Portland will allow him to be I think. But he woulda been better here fo sho.
 
Hard to form an opinion on KOC's approach based on the little bit of information we get. KOC called Mathews agent the night of FA--that call probably set the stage for the process and who knows what was said in the call.
 
The position from the Matthews camp from the beginning was that the opening bids for his services would start at the full MLE. That doesn't sound like he was willing to take less, and if he was then it is their fault for starting the bidding so high. I loved the kid as a Jazzman, but he's the enemy now.
 
Well, it sounds like he took the same approach he did with Millsap. So what does that tell ya. Leaves us vulnerable. Like Gotha said, I think it's better to be proactive. There will be less likelihood that this will reoccur as it did. To me, because KOC is such a weasel, everyone loses out. I think he needs to stop taking this approach.
 
gothapotamus said:
My main gripe is the reactive and not proactive approach. Hindsight will always be easier to understand details that weren't there at the time this all went down in real time. I think KOC needs to at least put an offer out, even if it's a low ball. Had they offered $2mill Portland would have been less inclined to be so aggressive perhaps in their raise. This could have amounted to Utah matching a lesser offer than what they were forced to decide on. All in all, it's not a catastrophic loss, but I think it could have been far better handled. I think Wes wanted to be here... But congrats to him on his pay raise. He'll be as great as Portland will allow him to be I think. But he woulda been better here fo sho.
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So you assume they just tell the other team what they got offered?

Matthews agent: Yeah Utah offer 2M... Can you beat that?
Portland: Sure we'll give you 2.3M
Agent: DEAL!

LOL

No more like this

Agent: Utah made an offer
Portland: What was it?
Agent: I can't tell you that? What are you willing to offer?
Portland: We'd be willing to go MLE
Agent: Deal!
 
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