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Dalamon would probably say something about being a good person and loving one another. The real answer (one vast majority of Muslim "scholars" would give when not on Western TV) is the acceptance of the Quran as the literal word of god, and the acceptance of Mohammad as the last prophet. Other than that, Muslims believe in the idea that god keeps tabs on them, and assigns a value to every good or bad deed. When judgement day comes, their deeds are weighed, and their fate is dependent on how the scales tip. However, it is worth keeping in mind that many Muslims believe in a variation of Augustine's idea of grace. Meaning, they think that the final criteria for judgement is in the hands of god, and cannot be measured accurately by any human standard.
The Black Swordsman
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Qur'an 33:35
"Indeed, the Muslim men and Muslim women, the believing men and believing women, the obedient men and obedient women, the truthful men and truthful women, the patient men and patient women, the humble men and humble women, the charitable men and charitable women, the fasting men and fasting women, the men who guard their private parts and the women who do so, and the men who remember Allah often and the women who do so - for them Allah has prepared forgiveness and a great reward."
We try to follow as many of these as we can.
Also, Every good deed is considered a +10. Every Intent of Good deed is a +1. Every evil deed is a -1, and the intent of a bad deed is 0.
This is seen as a scale, intending to do good and being unable is rewarded but intenting to do bad and being unable is not penalized.
If you are in the positives you go to heaven.
Of course this is a rough outline and certain deed's count more then certain actions.
"Indeed, the Muslim men and Muslim women, the believing men and believing women, the obedient men and obedient women, the truthful men and truthful women, the patient men and patient women, the humble men and humble women, the charitable men and charitable women, the fasting men and fasting women, the men who guard their private parts and the women who do so, and the men who remember Allah often and the women who do so - for them Allah has prepared forgiveness and a great reward."
We try to follow as many of these as we can.
Also, Every good deed is considered a +10. Every Intent of Good deed is a +1. Every evil deed is a -1, and the intent of a bad deed is 0.
This is seen as a scale, intending to do good and being unable is rewarded but intenting to do bad and being unable is not penalized.
If you are in the positives you go to heaven.
Of course this is a rough outline and certain deed's count more then certain actions.
Is that scale listed in the Quran like you've written it, +10, -1, etc?
They base it off your Jazzfanz Rep Power.
Well... TBS is ****ed.
You had to look at his rep power to come to that conclusion? I didn't need to have any idea on a formula to realize that.
The Black Swordsman
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It's in numerous Haddith (saying and teeching's of the Prophet (S.A.W))
"Verily Allah has recorded the good deeds and the evil deeds." Then he clarified that: "Whosoever intends to do a good deed but does not do it, Allah records it with Himself as a complete good deed; but if he intends it and does it, Allah records it with Himself as ten good deeds, up to seven hundred times, or more than that. But if he intends to do an evil deed and does not do it, Allah records it with Himself as a complete good deed; but if he intends it and does it, Allah records it down as one single evil deed."
"If My servant considers doing a sin, do not record it against him. If he acts upon it, record it as one sin. If he considers doing a good deed and does not do it, record it as one good deed, and if he actually does it, record it as 10 good deeds."
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Don't put in too much stock into the hadiths. They are mere recollections of the "sayings" of the prophet, as recorded by humans. Inherently, there is clear amounts of room for misinterpretation and corruption. For you non-muslims, the hadiths are often use supplementarily, because they offer things like instructions on how to pray, prepare for prayer, and other customs that the Quran itself never really addresses. As a muslim, I always enjoy giving them an alright read, but I typically don't put in too much stock into them. But hey, to each his own.
The rest of you, please ignore most of what TBS has to say. The guy makes religion so black and white, it is both hilarious and embarrassing at the same time. God.
Frank, heres an excerpt from the Quran that sorta addresses judgement day, and the standard by which all are judged:
Only God knows who will get in or out, obviously. Acceptance into heaven is much more of a complicated thing, than simply the "black-or-white" approach that many faiths adopt. Hell, the definition of a muslim is whoever submits to one God. God, or Allah, whatever you wanna call him, will be the judge on that day and only He knows what will happen to everyone, regardless of faith. I can't imagine someone like Gandhi or Buddha being turned down on Judgement day, simply due to their faith. Doesn't make much sense to me.
Regardless, people can say whatever they want to try and refute my comments, but the evidence is obvious: Muslim countries, and caliphates, have respected people of different Abrahamic faiths much earlier, and much longer, than any other region around the world.
To ultimately answer your question: Its hard to say. Certain passages indicate what I have said above, but then some peoples interpretations say that ONLY muslims get in. It all boils down to how you interpret it. I am of the opinion that we shouldn't really worry about who gets in, and who doesn't. God is the ultimate judge of that. Just choose a faith (or lack of faith) that contributes the most to you being a good person, be the best person that you can be, and let these sorts of things fall however they do. My imam shares very similar views to mine, and he's been a primary source to a lot of my beliefs. So my opinions aren't really just a culmination of a western-perspective on Islam; a lot of this stuff really comes from the backbone of the faith altogether.
Eh, I guess you aren't too far off
But in all honesty, you give a pretty decent summary of it.And yes, I know I broke my vow of silence. But seriously, this TBS guy is an unbelievable shmuck. It was worth it. Anywho, Go Jazz. I shall see you guys around the 25th-26th, save for Utah making/missing the playoffs.
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This goddamn website has got me by the balls. I am logging out before its too late. Take care everyone.
You're saying God/Allah sets the standard and judges out from that. I expected such but didn't want to assume.
This seems to get lost in the mix, but it's a sticking point deep down for Christians who wonder what the purpose of proving yourself in this life is when God/Allah knows all anyway. If He doesn't know all then He couldn't set a standard, etc.
This seems to get lost in the mix, but it's a sticking point deep down for Christians who wonder what the purpose of proving yourself in this life is when God/Allah knows all anyway. If He doesn't know all then He couldn't set a standard, etc.
The Black Swordsman
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I love how dalamon says not to listen to me then posts pretty much what I said. As expected from someone like him.
Except you said "Tomato" and he said "Bathtub". But other than that, ya, totally the same.
Damn, your group must be the "westboro baptists" of the islamic world.
Don't insult the Westboro Baptists, please.
BluesRocker
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I aint gots no problem giving it up. What's wrong with you?
I could quit this anytime. You gots to have will power. And you aint got none.
Says the guy who can't help but make new accounts while he's banned to go along with his other fake accounts. Takes one to know one, *** wipe.
The Black Swordsman
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I could see how someone with a simple mind could think that thought.
Hantlers
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Theoretically, shouldn't the thought of the evil deed be just as bad as actually doing it? Since in the eyes of God sin is essentially a heart issue, it would seem to me that the thought of doing an evil deed is the same as doing the evil deed. For instance, you hate somebody and plan to hurt them physically but decide not to, you still hate them which is a sin. By anybody's standard of law you're doing the right thing by not hurting them, but hating them is the actual issue at hand.