Pau Gasol Trade - Steve Nash Implications
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The Chris Paul thing was different because the Hornets were forced to trade him. They had zero choice in the matter and some deal had to be done.
I really don't think LA is going to risk trading Bynum away to get Howard when Howard could just leave the following year to join D-Will in Brooklyn.
I don't think I could mentally stand playing with Kobe Bryant either, especially when he isn't that good anymore. Also, not really sure how this halts our progress when it would allow Favors to start. Kanter would still be in the dark a bit, but maybe we deal Jefferson or Millsap (whoever is left) in another deal. I don't think you put the hold on getting Gasol and Nash just to get 25 mpg for Kanter.
One last thing; whether anyone wants to believe it or not, there is absolutely no way Kanter gets a real shot. I know that seems a little silly to some, but chucking a promising #3 pick (since he's so young, so inexperienced, and already has forced his way onto the court, the investment level is absolutely something you consider) in the trash (effectively) is not on my to-do list.
What the Jazz SHOULD do is trade for fiery Pau Gasol: JONAS Valanciunas.
What the Jazz SHOULD do is trade for fiery Pau Gasol: JONAS Valanciunas.
Brilliant idea.
I just don't see how that is "chucking a promising #3 pick in the trash". If we do this trade, and end up keeping one of Jefferson or Millsap, that player will only have 1 year left on his contract. Kanter can get the same minutes he got this past year, if not more, and still be developed.
The following year that player would expire, and Kanter would be ready to be the 3rd big.
The following year Gasol would expire, maybe Kanter is so good we can actually trade Gasol's huge expiring contract for some good pieces. Maybe we re-sign Gasol to be the 3rd big, as a veteran 6th man.
Well that exlains that part. I was also confused on the chucking comment but get it now.
vslice02
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As a few others have mentioned, the other important thing to consider is Gasol's integration along with the development of Utah's core players. On one hand Gasol improves the team in the shortterm and keeps Utah competitive while we see if Favors/Burks/Kanter/Hayward can develop into the future of the franchise - but on the other hand Favors' growth may not accelerate as quickly as possible if he has to defer to Gasol on the offensive end. Utah would essentially have Gasol for 2 seasons at age 32 & 33 on the wrong side of the 30,000 minute mark. Those are some tough numbers when you consider he'll be your best player.
Having Gasol under contract also eliminates Utah's ability to be a major player in the 2013 Free Agent class. It's possible they could have a ton of cap room in 2014 (less likely if you sign Nash) but it's impossible to predict or plan that far in advance because you still have to sign players over 2 offseasons in the meantime, and if you make the Gasol trade (along with the Nash proposal) you're in this to win big now - so it's unlikely you just sign whoever you can get for a shorterm contract. (That "win-now" urgency also makes you less willing to allow someone like an Enes Kanter to work through the growing pains as a 20-year old center).
I'm all for moving Al Jefferson, but I also think Favors is at the point where great things could happen if he's challenged to step up and be the alpha-dog in the frontcourt. I don't think Gasol would necessarily facilitate that process. In trading Deron the Jazz put themselves in a great position with a bright future - I'd hate to see that disrupted over an impulsive effort to win big now.
Having Gasol under contract also eliminates Utah's ability to be a major player in the 2013 Free Agent class. It's possible they could have a ton of cap room in 2014 (less likely if you sign Nash) but it's impossible to predict or plan that far in advance because you still have to sign players over 2 offseasons in the meantime, and if you make the Gasol trade (along with the Nash proposal) you're in this to win big now - so it's unlikely you just sign whoever you can get for a shorterm contract. (That "win-now" urgency also makes you less willing to allow someone like an Enes Kanter to work through the growing pains as a 20-year old center).
I'm all for moving Al Jefferson, but I also think Favors is at the point where great things could happen if he's challenged to step up and be the alpha-dog in the frontcourt. I don't think Gasol would necessarily facilitate that process. In trading Deron the Jazz put themselves in a great position with a bright future - I'd hate to see that disrupted over an impulsive effort to win big now.
Yes, and that's completely different from Dwight Howard.
Yeah, it is. The Laker's are basing their future off of Bynum. I think they would rather flip Gasol for pieces to fit alongside Bynum, and to impact the team immediately to keep Kobe's title dreams alive.
I just don't think Utah waiting for FA to make their mark is a great move. Also, Gasol is an incredible passer and would only help Favors. We could also limit Gasol's minutes much in the way San Antonio limits Duncan's minutes.
candrew
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Can I just say that while I acknowledge all the reasons for getting Gasol it doesn't outweigh the fact that he's an annoying whiney jerk off with most constipated face I've ever seen when he's not getting the calls he thinks he should get.
There are players that I can't stand like Garnett and Tony Parker who I would love instantly if they were traded to Utah - Gasol is not one of them.
There are players that I can't stand like Garnett and Tony Parker who I would love instantly if they were traded to Utah - Gasol is not one of them.
green
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no. How many times have the Jazz been completely burned because of overpaid, older players? Harp, Memo, Bell, Ostertag, etc, etc, and you propose adding TWO of these players for THIRTY MILLION, over half the cap? You are crazy. I would much rather wait and see with Al than do this. This is what NY does. Not was smart does.
I think the real risk here is mostly getting all the moving parts to simultaneously work out. But the potential reward sure seems high.
Additional thoughts:
I can't imagine the Lakers wanting Jefferson. It would have to be Millsap. I still think it's unlikely the Lakers would go for this deal, however.
You'd have to trade Jefferson (my personal preference would be for the rights to draft Jeff Taylor -- or someone better, of course).
A Favors/Gasol/Kanter rotation is almost too good to imagine, even if Gasol tends toward softness. They would seem to complement each other perfectly.
You'd almost need to go after AK if Gasol and Nash came (though perhaps the $ wouldn't work). Even with three starters having passed their prime, wouldn't you have to believe that Nash, Hayward, Kirilenko, Favors, and Gasol would be instant contenders? Esp. with Kanter, Burks, perhaps Watson and a draft pick or two playing key bench roles?
Additional thoughts:
I can't imagine the Lakers wanting Jefferson. It would have to be Millsap. I still think it's unlikely the Lakers would go for this deal, however.
You'd have to trade Jefferson (my personal preference would be for the rights to draft Jeff Taylor -- or someone better, of course).
A Favors/Gasol/Kanter rotation is almost too good to imagine, even if Gasol tends toward softness. They would seem to complement each other perfectly.
You'd almost need to go after AK if Gasol and Nash came (though perhaps the $ wouldn't work). Even with three starters having passed their prime, wouldn't you have to believe that Nash, Hayward, Kirilenko, Favors, and Gasol would be instant contenders? Esp. with Kanter, Burks, perhaps Watson and a draft pick or two playing key bench roles?
Nice, you compared an All-Star player with a Championship (in which he was a major part of, and is only 2 years removed from it) to the likes of Ostertag, Harpring, and Bell.
Not every player goes completely south just because they are over 30, especially big men. Look at what Tim Duncan is doing in the playoffs, or what Dirk did last year. You just have to limit his minutes during the regular season, which won't be hard to do because we have Kanter.
I probably wouldn't add AK. Let Burks and Hayward get minutes, also bring in a 3pt shooter over AK. Unless AK wants to come in at 9 million for 3 years.
If we got the 8th pick would you include it for Gasol, taking out the 2013 1st rounder?
8th pick, Harris, and Jefferson for Gasol. I think the Lakers would have to heavily consider that as they could get Perry Jones, Terrance Jones, or Jared Sullinger all of which would fit nicely next to Bynum.
8th pick, Harris, and Jefferson for Gasol. I think the Lakers would have to heavily consider that as they could get Perry Jones, Terrance Jones, or Jared Sullinger all of which would fit nicely next to Bynum.
I'd hate giving up the 8th pick, but clearing Harris and Al would make it more palatable.