Millsap/GSW Pick for Fredette/#5 Pick?

[The Midnight]

This is how I am feeling too.

Yes!!!! Dattebayo!!!!

 

[fishonjazz]

Im a byu fan and loved jimmer while he was there, but i have watched him in the nba and because of that, I dont think i would do this trade..... unless MKG was still on the board.

 

[mfree]

The way Jimmer got schooled on defense last year makes me want to stay as far away as possible.

 

[BaronDavisIsDonkeyOnShrek]

Are these both true, so two different sources or just one?

it's true I work for a main Jazz sponsor, but I only brought that up because I thought the rumor going around our office had something to do with that.

once I found out about this guy in the marketing department, I posted that as well.

 

[Cope]

I would only support this if Bell was included somehow

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Hmm I wonder if there is an chance of Millsap for the 5th pick and a bad contract? I don't have any desire to have Jimmer on our team. I think Jimmer has a place in the league but that won't ever be on the Jazz.

I'd rather Jefferson for the pick and two bad contracts. Garcia and someone.

 

[green]

Jimmer - He can't defend, he can't run an offense, he can beat out a 5'2" undrafted rookie....BUT, every once in awhile he can hit a three.

The worst part of it all? He is revered as a god down in Utah County. He would be horrible for this team. They worship him so badly, he was asked to not attend any classes as it caused too many problems.

No thanks.

 

[fishonjazz]

I would only support this if Bell was included somehow

Lol.... I agree.

 

[Former Member]

I would only support this if Bell was included somehow

I love this idea

 

[The Midnight]

Jimmer - He can't defend, he can't run an offense, he can beat out a 5'2" undrafted rookie....BUT, every once in awhile he can hit a three.

The worst part of it all? He is revered as a god down in Utah County. He would be horrible for this team. They worship him so badly, he was asked to not attend any classes as it caused too many problems.

No thanks.

So the chance of getting potential franchise players in Barnes & MKG doesn't enter your equation what-so-eva?!?!

Should we throw DWill in there as well to make you happy?!?!

 

[green]

So the chance of getting potential franchise players in Barnes & MKG doesn't enter your equation what-so-eva?!?!

Should we throw DWill in there as well to make you happy?!?!

Yes, it would.

IF the Jazz think one of those two players is a franchise player, then that changes things. I am more open to doing this for Barnes. Just bringing Jimmer back to Utah would open pandora's box. Do you really want a young team that is playing well, with Jimmer on the bench, getting booed at home? Talk about a quick way to run Favors, Hayward, Burks, Kanter and Barnes out of town.

 

[The Midnight]

Yes, it would.

IF the Jazz think one of those two players is a franchise player, then that changes things. I am more open to doing this for Barnes. Just bringing Jimmer back to Utah would open pandora's box. Do you really want a young team that is playing well, with Jimmer on the bench, getting booed at home? Talk about a quick way to run Favors, Hayward, Burks, Kanter and Barnes out of town.

My point is Millsap is expiring and will be too much for us to re-sign. GSW will be decent next year so that pick won't be worth as much (as well as a much weaker draft class).

So those 2 alone for this year's 5th pick is already GOLD. Jimmer? Whatever we do with him I just couldn't care less.

 

[theNBAnerd]

My point is Millsap is expiring and will be too much for us to re-sign. GSW will be decent next year so that pick won't be worth as much (as well as a much weaker draft class).

So those 2 alone for this year's 5th pick is already GOLD. Jimmer? Whatever we do with him I just couldn't care less.

unless they extend him this summer.

but as i've said elsewhere, they should only do that if they are able to make other big moves this off-season. simply put: if they move al, go ahead and lock paul down. if they don't move al, it might make more sense to use paul's expiring to see what you can do at the deadline OR to let him expire and go into 2013 with cap space.

 

[The Midnight]

unless they extend him this summer.

but as i've said elsewhere, they should only do that if they are able to make other big moves this off-season. simply put: if they move al, go ahead and lock paul down. if they don't move al, it might make more sense to use paul's expiring to see what you can do at the deadline OR to let him expire and go into 2013 with cap space.

Why would we pay market price for Millsap if we have Favors & Kanter waiting in the wing?!?!

Unless we're looking to go Kanter + GSW pick for Rondo, then I don't see why we'd pay full price for Millsap to sit on the bench (and he wouldn't be happy to neither).

 

[Park Bites]

Positives

- jazz get either Barnes or mkg
- the free up playing time for favors kanter
- the jazz get a big bump in ticket sales for a year or 2
- the get a ok back up pg who they would pray could start one day
- with a Barnes/Jimmer add the get a lot better shooting
- a fantastic 5 to build on Barnes/mkg, favors, kanter, Hayward, burkes ( maybe the Jimmer to make it 6)

Negatives

- lose millsap
- possible distraction in Jimmer
- still no answer at pg (supposedly)
- less 1 veteran leader
- a lot of youth

Looking at it I would do the trade in a heart beat. The positives far out way the negatives. Then the jazz look to find a fa pg to lead the team and we are set for the next decade!

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'm pretty sure Kevin O'Connor wants to avoid the circus that would be Jimmer in Utah.

 

[theNBAnerd]

Why would we pay market price for Millsap if we have Favors & Kanter waiting in the wing?!?!

Unless we're looking to go Kanter + GSW pick for Rondo, then I don't see why we'd pay full price for Millsap to sit on the bench (and he wouldn't be happy to neither).

well if you extend him you don't have to worry about "market value"... you can lock him down before the market gets a chance to set his value. that's part 1 of my answer.

part 2 is because i don't believe kanter is ready yet. favors, hell yeah, let go of the reins and watch him go. but kanter is still looking awfully raw to me. and even if he takes a good step forward, you still need a 3-man rotation up front, with a 4th guy to get foul trouble and injury minutes. if our 3-man rotation is favors-millsap-kanter, i think we're in good shape.

 

[Magic Spray]

ok so a guy in my office has a brother that works in the Jazz marketing or public relations department and he got a text

Seems legit.

 

[The Midnight]

well if you extend him you don't have to worry about "market value"... you can lock him down before the market gets a chance to set his value. that's part 1 of my answer.

part 2 is because i don't believe kanter is ready yet. favors, hell yeah, let go of the reins and watch him go. but kanter is still looking awfully raw to me. and even if he takes a good step forward, you still need a 3-man rotation up front, with a 4th guy to get foul trouble and injury minutes. if our 3-man rotation is favors-millsap-kanter, i think we're in good shape.

Part 1: Well Millsap may be stupid but his agent certainly won't be. There's no way his agent would allow us to extend him at $7-$8mil a year without testing the market. May be if we offer him $10mil plus he might extend straight away.

Part 2: What if Kanter is ready in 1 year then? We've just extended Millsap for 5 more years beyond next year. Unless we extended him for cheap we'll have problems unloading his contract.

I hear you regarding 3 man rotation, then it'll depend on how much we've paid for Millsap to be on the bench and is he happy to be on the bench? Otherwise we might have to have Kanter coming off the bench but again would he be happy with that?!?!

 

[theNBAnerd]

Part 1: Well Millsap may be stupid but his agent certainly won't be. There's no way his agent would allow us to extend him at $7-$8mil a year without testing the market. May be if we offer him $10mil plus he might extend straight away.

i'm not saying we're going to get him for 50 cents on the dollar. just that if we do that this summer, we can avoid a bidding war.

Part 2: What if Kanter is ready in 1 year then? We've just extended Millsap for 5 more years beyond next year. Unless we extended him for cheap we'll have problems unloading his contract.

well then we have the problem of too much young, big talent. a lot of teams would love to have to figure that one out.

I hear you regarding 3 man rotation, then it'll depend on how much we've paid for Millsap to be on the bench and is he happy to be on the bench? Otherwise we might have to have Kanter coming off the bench but again would he be happy with that?!?!

i still think if you keep millsap, it's so that he can start. he's clutch, he's efficient, and by most measures he has been our best player lately. i think kanter has to wait until he can rip that out of paul's hands.