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OK, call me an uptimist.
But I think the Mo trade was a precursor to Harris being dealt. And I'm also reading between the lines a bit. Why is Dwight Howard demanding a trade to ONLY the Nets. I think it's because he's 99% sure Deron is re-signing with Brooklyn. So Dallas loses out on Deron and Williams takes Kidd with him. Beaubois may be a great change of pace, but I don't think the Mavs are looking at him as a starter.

Their best option? A player who knows the system and was a former all-star, before they traded him away for Kidd.

Utah has been strangely silent, particularly in not offering J. Howard a deal. And Howard is also interested in returning to Dallas, the team that drafted him. CJ Miles also just paid Dallas a visit. Those 2 are FA's, of course, so no trade is needed. A sign-and-trade for Miles, though, would allow Dallas to still keep their MLE.

Utah's biggest need? SF
Dallas' biggest need (if they don't get Williams/Kidd)? PG

So Harris to Dallas for Marion. Other players may/may not be included. CJ could be dealt for a trade exception. And that might be one of the reasons Utah was so willing to step in and take Mo without getting an additional pick, which billyshelby and others have adamantly stated KOC should have received (or walked away from the deal).


This deal just makes too much sense for both teams: HArris will want to re-up in Dallas and they'll have his rights. MArion is under contract for 2 years, so no long-term commitment from Utah. His contract expires before Utah has to shell out the big $ to keep our Core-4. Plus, with 2 1st-rounders next year, the Jazz will draft a SF to come in and play as a backup for a year and then, hopefully, take over as Marion's contract expires.

Of course, we still need to deal Jefferson. That will depend on what happens with the Howard saga and perhaps whether or not Indiana matches the offer for Hibbert. IINM, offer sheets can't be officially signed until July 11th. So another couple of weeks before the dust settles on centers and determines where all the markets may be for Jefferson.

So, not including Jefferson, here's what the lineup would be:

PF - Millsap, Favors
C - Favors, Kanter
SF - Marion, Hayward, Carroll
SG - Hayward, Burks
PG - Williams, Watson, Tinsley
 
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Nash will be priority number 2 for Dallas. FYI.

But, yes, the Harris to Dallas thing is worth keeping track of.
 
Dont know whats going to happen, but there is definetly a deal in the works. Ford thinks the Jazz are looking at Mo as a long term solution and Harris and Mo back court is terrible. I do hope we stay away from Marion though. Maybe part of a larger trade with us getting back a younger vet SF.
 
NAOS said:
Nash will be priority number 2 for Dallas. FYI.

But, yes, the Harris to Dallas thing is worth keeping track of.
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Toronto has reportedly offered Nash a 3 yr/$36 million contract. That will be hard for Nash to turn down.
Knicks are also interested in Nash, so there's competition. I guess with a short window for Nowitzki, you go after Nash for a couple more seasons. Long-term, Harris is a better fit for them.

Verlin, I think you're right. KOC loves Mo. He's said many times not keeping him was his biggest mistake. And Mo at least said the right things about returning. I don't fault him or his agent for taking a day to accept the trade (and a phone conversation with O'Connor). Williams certainly wants another good contract. And there had to be serious concern he'd be stuck as a backup for another year and then only be offered a contract as a backup. KOC certainly can't guarantee a trade will be made, but he could have told Mo that, worse-case scenario, Harris would only be in Utah this season.

Even if the Jazz draft a good PG next year, the likelihood is he'll take a couple of years to develop and learn the offense. Having Mo for another 3-4 years is plausible. Williams starts, then gradually reduces his time until he's splitting time with and then backing up that PG.
 
You put an impressive amount of thought into this and it makes enough sense despite being so complicated. Well done.

That said, I'm not very interested in Marion. And if the Mavs strikeout on free agents, they'll probably just try to keep him anyway. And yada yada give me Crowder or give me death.
 
Sound's plausible, but I would be hesitant to take Marion and his ugly release.

and I really doubt Nash going to Dallas. Toronto offered him 12 mil a year and the only way I can see him turning that down is if he has a decent shot at a ring, which won't be in Dallas...


edit: kinda unrelated, but if Indiana loses Hibbert, think they would be interested in Al?
 
I have no desire for Marion on this team. I would rather have a logjam at the 1, and have Harris on the team.
Why would we trade Harris, whose contract is up after this coming year, for Marion who has another year for over 9M?

Doesn't make sense to me. I like the idea in general, but not for that player.
 
If Harris were to reach a buy out agreement (with jazz or new team), would his entire salary count against cap or just the buyout ammount?
 
The chances are at least 75% that Harris will be dealt. But prepare to be disappointed. The return will be zero or close to zero - Jazz will probably try to work out a 3 team trade like the Odom deal where they take back no salary, a TPE or maybe just some BS second round pick that never comes to fruition, like the Okur trade.

Jefferson is the guy they're trying to move for assests - but I think it's just as likely that they stand pat and keep him at least through the trade deadline.
 
candrew said:
The chances are at least 75% that Harris will be dealt. But prepare to be disappointed. The return will be zero or close to zero - Jazz will probably try to work out a 3 team trade like the Odom deal where they take back no salary, a TPE or maybe just some BS second round pick that never comes to fruition, like the Okur trade.

Jefferson is the guy they're trying to move for assests - but I think it's just as likely that they stand pat and keep him at least through the trade deadline.
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I would say 50% he gets dealt this summer and 75% he gets dealt at the deadline.
 
bovice said:
Sound's plausible, but I would be hesitant to take Marion and his ugly release.

and I really doubt Nash going to Dallas. Toronto offered him 12 mil a year and the only way I can see him turning that down is if he has a decent shot at a ring, which won't be in Dallas...


edit: kinda unrelated, but if Indiana loses Hibbert, think they would be interested in Al?
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Yes, in the Hibbert thread, I suggested KOC get on the phone immediately. Indiana doesn't have much to offer, only the salaries of Granger and West are large enough. They're not going to part with Granger, so the trade would have to include West and that means a 3rd team would be needed.
 
I would take a TPE and a first for Harris.
That TPE will be useful either in the Howard and Gasol sagas, or when teams are trying to clear space for next year's FAs.

Did someone say deal Jefferson?!?!
 
GlassEater said:
Yes, in the Hibbert thread, I suggested KOC get on the phone immediately. Indiana doesn't have much to offer, only the salaries of Granger and West are large enough. They're not going to part with Granger, so the trade would have to include West and that means a 3rd team would be needed.
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I could be mistaken, but I think it might be easier than this to give them Jefferson.
 
candrew said:
The chances are at least 75% that Harris will be dealt. But prepare to be disappointed. The return will be zero or close to zero - Jazz will probably try to work out a 3 team trade like the Odom deal where they take back no salary, a TPE or maybe just some BS second round pick that never comes to fruition, like the Okur trade.

Jefferson is the guy they're trying to move for assests - but I think it's just as likely that they stand pat and keep him at least through the trade deadline.
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Are you kidding me? KOC traded away a ridiculously high salary for a guy coming back from a serious injury and managed to get a TPE, which was then parlayed into Mo Williams, a former all-star and legit starting PG. And what of Memo? He got hurt and barely played the rest of the season, his NBA career now likely done. Headline should read: "KOC Rips the Nets...AGAIN."
 
GlassEater said:
Yes, in the Hibbert thread, I suggested KOC get on the phone immediately. Indiana doesn't have much to offer, only the salaries of Granger and West are large enough. They're not going to part with Granger, so the trade would have to include West and that means a 3rd team would be needed.
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The Hibbert offer sheet should reinvigorate any efforts KOC had to move Jefferson. But plenty of teams need a Center - it doesn't start and end in Indiana.
 
GlassEater said:
Are you kidding me? KOC traded away a ridiculously high salary for a guy coming back from a serious injury and managed to get a TPE, which was then parlayed into Mo Williams, a former all-star and legit starting PG. And what of Memo? He got hurt and barely played the rest of the season, his NBA career now likely done. Headline should read: "KOC Rips the Nets...AGAIN."
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I wasn't damning the trade, I was just stating a fact. The Okur trade turned out to be a good deal.
 
NAOS said:
I could be mistaken, but I think it might be easier than this to give them Jefferson.
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You may be right. Subtract Hibbert and they probably have enough cap space to take on Jefferson.
I'd do it for a TPE and Plumlee. It was a bit of a surprise pick, but he's a pretty intriguing prospect at 6'10" / 245. A hard-nosed player who will do the dirty work and get defensive boards. Be a perfect fit as the 4th big, playing 10 mins/per. I think that would be a pretty fair trade for both teams. Utah gets the TPE plus what was a late first. Indiana gets a 20/10 player.
 
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