Jefferson thinks Sloan can unleash the ‘Beast' that's been in him for "so long"

[Hopper]

EDIT: One more note. I did mention earlier that I include myself in the statement about people needing to be more understanding and tolerant. Just making light of that if in-fact CJ is just misunderstood.

EDIT2: I also have to mention that I've always assumed his use of "hoppers" meant hip-hop types, which in my mind some how tied back around to minorities in general. Not saying my assumption is right or anything.

1. Yeah, KhaOZ, I knew ya said that, and I know you weren't really tryin to be judgmental about CJ from the standpoint that you KNEW his character. I just make an effort to offset the ongoing slander I see about him all the time. It leads even well-meaning people like you to draw premature conclusions, I think.

2. The so-called "hip-hop" culture probably did start, or at least become more widespread at first, in the black community. Even so, it really has nuthin to do with "race" per se, and many whites have adopted that "culture" as their own--as CJ might put it, wearin caps crooked, pants down to their knees, and generally actin as disrepectful of "normal" society as possible. Blacks like Cosby condemn it too.

 

[honz]

Actually you have no idea what you are talking about, and I am not about to explain it you.

K bro. I think we've all heard it as a part of different saying that are around now days, but it still has a very specific meaning...and there are no ghettos in small town Mississippi. I know what you were saying, but you came off as ignorant so I felt like ****ing with you.

 

[KhaOZ]

1. Yeah, KhaOZ, I knew ya said that, and I know you weren't really tryin to be judgmental about CJ from the standpoint that you KNEW his character. I just make an effort to offset the ongoing slander I see about him all the time. It leads even well-meaning people like you to draw premature conclusions, I think.

2. The so-called "hip-hop" culture probably did start, or at least become more widespread at first, in the black community. Even so, it really has nuthin to do with "race" per se, and many whites have adopted that "culture" as their own--as CJ might put it, wearin caps crooked, pants down to their knees, and generally actin as disrepectful of "normal" society as possible. Blacks like Cosby condemn it too.

True @2. I did like when Cosby called out the rap community and talked about how they're only hurting themselves. I think all the white people in the world could have said it, and no one would have listened, or they would have called those white people racist or said they just don't get it, but coming from Cosby it had a lot of weight.

Sorry to further thread-jack here, but after Cosby was declared dead in the news the other night, he went on CNN to declare he was still alive, and that it was some internet hoax. He had this quote that's kind of stuck with me since I heard him say it. They asked what the afterlife would be like when he really did die. Cosby said he wasn't sure about heaven, but that he thinks "hell is a place where everyone is laughing, but nothing is funny."

 

[InGameStrategy]

Well, S2, ya know, I remember that there one time where my Mama, she said: "Looky here, hopper-boy, ya can't go puttin 10 pounds of crap into no 5 pound bag, eh? Remember that, boy."

That's funny. My mama used to tell me, "Looky here, Eminem. When life gives you 10 pounds of crap, make manure."

A coach has gotta go with what he's got, especially in a small market. Sloan is good at getting production out of players who are already motivated. Whoop tee do. Utah needs everyone--from the starting point guard to the third-string center--to be at maximum development and unity. At some times during the past 20 years, Sloan has been better than others at making this happen.

 

[richgates]

You are obviously a VERY stupid person. Besides that you are just stupid, maybe in your small whacked out town you have not come to realize that Ghetto is the meaning of many things. FO

Let's not try to kid ourselves here. There is one definition of "ghetto" that is used primarily and it is used to describe African-Americans like you did. I don't buy for one minute you meant it any other way, and I suspect several others don't either. At least have the testicular fortitude to stand by what you said and meant rather than pretend there is some other definition that others don't seem to get.

 

[Hopper]

S2, did you happen to read Popovich's analysis of what is needed in players, and note his comments that Utah was the best at it? It's in another thread.

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php/1614-Spurs-Imitate-Jazz-(Da-theefs-dem)

 

[Hopper]

Let's not try to kid ourselves here. There is one definition of "ghetto" that is used primarily and it is used to describe African-Americans like you did. I don't buy for one minute you meant it any other way, and I suspect several others don't either. At least have the testicular fortitude to stand by what you said and meant rather than pretend there is some other definition that others don't seem to get.

Traditionally, the term "ghetto" has never been used to refer to blacks in particular

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Main Entry: 1ghet·to
Pronunciation: \ˈge-(ˌ)tō\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural ghettos also ghettoes
Etymology: Italian, from Venetian dial. ghèto island where Jews were forced to live, literally, foundry (located on the island), from ghetàr to cast, from Latin jactare to throw — more at jet
Date: 1611
1 : a quarter of a city in which Jews were formerly required to live
2 : a quarter of a city in which members of a minority group live especially because of social, legal, or economic pressure
3 a : an isolated group <a geriatric ghetto> b : a situation that resembles a ghetto especially in conferring inferior status or limiting opportunity <the pink-collar ghetto>
===

It was coined 400 years ago, and originally was confined to jewish concentrations. Since then it has been expanded to include any minority, such as an "Irish ghetto," or a "polish ghetto."

 

[richgates]

Hopper:

I know you're trying to troll so I'll make this brief. The term "ghetto" that has been floating around as part of the lexicon for some time now has nothing to do with Jewish people and you know this. Now I am not saying that BOX is a racist, but the way he used the term came across as derogatory to me, and I believe that some might find it offensive. It's not his call whether or not people should be offended or not.

 

[Hopper]

Hopper:

I know you're trying to troll so I'll make this brief. The term "ghetto" that has been floating around as part of the lexicon for some time now has nothing to do with Jewish people and you know this.

I don't claim to know more about the meaning of words than people who edit dictionaries, Rich, as apparently you do.

Just curious, what do you mean by "for some time?" Would that mebbe be the same as the time since you, personally, first heard the word, I wonder?

 

[Gameface]

Let's not forget one important fact in this debate: Al Jefferson is not well spoken. He does not use what could be described as "proper English." So do we have to dance around that fact or is it okay to state it plainly?

As I said eralier, "ghetto" has become a slang term that could be compared to "jury-rigged." My sister, for instance, seems to like using this term, a lot. If someone drives by in a car with squeaky brakes she'll say "Damn, that's ghetto," not at all implying anything racial about the person driving or the car. My sister is about as far from being a racist as possible. She just likes to use that term, even though I think she uses it too much.

I hate to mention this, partly because I don't think it really proves anything, but my sister and I were raised to be very firmly anti-racism. I ended some friendships when I was a teenager because people were racist or anti-gay. Both my sister and I are married to people who are not "white."

 

[Nate505]

He really needs to stop trying to speak proper. It makes him sweat a damn mess all over the place. This dude is Ghetto, but I could care less as he has passion and desire and he will be a beast this year.

The county he grew up in had less than 15k people. He's far more country than ghetto.

 

[Lakers_Slapper]

About a 3 minute video here from KSL's "sportsbeat Sunday," a lot of which has been posted before, but this boils it down to the gist.

"I started looking up [to Sloan] and seeing the great things he did as a player and the great things he did as a coach. So I always had respect for him.I think he's going to take my game to a whole other level, you know, bring that monster--that beast--out in me, that's been inside of me for so long."

https://www.ksl.com/?nid=304&sid=11830600&autostart=y

A statement like this makes me pretty excited for the season to start so we can see him play. How many players have come here to utah and made comments like this?? Obviously he is excited to be here and ready to start. His emotion and mind is in the right place. I think that we are going to see an Al Jefferson that we've never seen before. May be to early to tell. But at least we have a guy who is going to step on the floor ready to play. And maybe more importantly WANT TO. Unlike BOOzer who would take a week off if he had the hickups.