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Does Burks have a chance to be a more complete player?

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doubledribble

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Serious question. We know that as of now Burks is very good at getting to the rim and scoring and quite bad at making a jump shot. Shooting guards in the NBA are usually the guys who can create their shot, score at the rim AND hit the jumper (most of them), or someone who can hit the open threes/ long twos and be a great defender (Bowen, Sefolosha). Burks in his first season made 29% of his jumpers. He did not much play this season, but so far there was nothing that indicated that his ability to make a jump shot improved (the current rate is 10%).

Out of the recent palyers drafted by the Jazz Ronnie Brewer had a similar profile - very good at scoring at the rim, with similarly bad stats on jumpers (28% during his rookie year) - but he really improved in his second year, to 39%. Brewer was also a way-above-the-average defender. Nevertheless, the Jazz traded him and now he is playing for a vet's minimum.

I know that many bigs come in the league raw and develop later, but I thought that it was different for guards. So, the question is, how often does it happen that SGs that come in the league with the ability to drive/cut to the rim, but without a jumper, develop the ability to be decent/good from the distance? How long does it usually take? Are there any good examples?
 
With playing time, yes he has a chance to be a more complete player.
Without playing time, not so much.

Burks is quite a good rebounder for his position already, and as far as his shooting goes, from what i saw in pre-season he could be a good shooter if he could get playing time. (something like 70% from 3 in pre-season)

Basically we will only be able to find out the answer to your question if corbin will put him on the court for some decent minutes on a regular basis.
 
Since day 1 I have believed he has the physical tools to be very good. I have always had concerns whether he has it between the ears. Like fishon said, we won't know until he's getting 15 minutes or so per game.. not sure we'll ever see that in a Jazz uni.
 
doubledribble said:
Serious question. We know that as of now Burks is very good at getting to the rim and scoring and quite bad at making a jump shot. Shooting guards in the NBA are usually the guys who can create their shot, score at the rim AND hit the jumper (most of them), or someone who can hit the open threes/ long twos and be a great defender (Bowen, Sefolosha). Burks in his first season made 29% of his jumpers. He did not much play this season, but so far there was nothing that indicated that his ability to make a jump shot improved (the current rate is 10%).

Out of the recent palyers drafted by the Jazz Ronnie Brewer had a similar profile - very good at scoring at the rim, with similarly bad stats on jumpers (28% during his rookie year) - but he really improved in his second year, to 39%. Brewer was also a way-above-the-average defender. Nevertheless, the Jazz traded him and now he is playing for a vet's minimum.

I know that many bigs come in the league raw and develop later, but I thought that it was different for guards. So, the question is, how often does it happen that SGs that come in the league with the ability to drive/cut to the rim, but without a jumper, develop the ability to be decent/good from the distance? How long does it usually take? Are there any good examples?
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For one thing Brewer was just the expendable piece of a really good offensive team the Jazz used to have, and that trade just had to be made at the time for money reasons.

You're not going to see Kobe backing off of Burks the same way you used to see him backing off of Brewer in the playoffs a few years ago. Now Burks isn't a GREAT shooter, but I'd say he's at least an average one, and he shot very well through summer league and the pre-season.
The next part is consistant playing time, (which is obvious he's never going to get barring a significant trade) which most players need to get a rhythm going throughout a season.

I think two really great examples would be Rudy Gay and Dwayne Wade. Burks has the ability to create his own shot off of the dribble, and even isolation play like Wade and over time would be able to demand double teams I believe. Although not quite as athletic as Wade, that's where my Rudy Gay comparison comes in.

Burks shot at just about the same clip that Gay shot the ball in his second year, during summer league and the pre-season. And although not as long and tall as Gay, I think they are similar players athletically and maturity wise. Now obviously most are going to shrug off Burks summer league and pre-season performances, considering they were against the leagues scrubs.
But what the hell else do we have to judge Burks by while he rots on the bench??
 
Burks is longer than Wade and may even be quicker, though probably not as good a handle. So, yes, he certainly has the potential. Why the Jazz can't see that, is beyond me. They give Kanter all the time in the world and yet Burks who in my opinion has greater potential is getting nothing.
 
This is a thought that I have had since the beginning of the season. Does Burks just talk a big game? I'm always hearing that him always being overlooked has motivated him to be better, but has the money corrupted him and he just keeps saying that because he wants everyone to keep believing in him? It has been working for me but now I am starting to question it.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
Burks is longer than Wade and may even be quicker, though probably not as good a handle. So, yes, he certainly has the potential. Why the Jazz can't see that, is beyond me. They give Kanter all the time in the world and yet Burks who in my opinion has greater potential is getting nothing.
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And kanter is getting minutes even though we have millsap, al, and favors on the team, meanwhile burks cant get minutes because we have hayward and rand foye...... just retarded.
 
fishonjazz said:
And kanter is getting minutes even though we have millsap, al, and favors on the team, meanwhile burks cant get minutes because we have hayward and rand foye...... just retarded.
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Millsap is a pf only, with Favors primarily backing him up, which leaves Kanter as the primary backup to Al.
 
orangello said:
This is a thought that I have had since the beginning of the season. Does Burks just talk a big game? I'm always hearing that him always being overlooked has motivated him to be better, but has the money corrupted him and he just keeps saying that because he wants everyone to keep believing in him? It has been working for me but now I am starting to question it.
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There's no way that a rookie that played as well as he did is worse all-around than Randy Foye. But how would us lowly fans ever know?
We never get to see the kid play to find out.
I remember the Jazz burying DeShawn Stevenson early in his career as well, and he's still a decent player in his mid-30's.
 
TheSilencer1313 said:
For one thing Brewer was just the expendable piece of a really good offensive team the Jazz used to have, and that trade just had to be made at the time for money reasons...
I think two really great examples would be Rudy Gay and Dwayne Wade. Burks has the ability to create his own shot off of the dribble, and even isolation play like Wade and over time would be able to demand double teams I believe. Although not quite as athletic as Wade, that's where my Rudy Gay comparison comes in.
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I am not sure that Wade and Gay are good comparisons for Burks. Both of them shot the jumper much better than Burks as rookies, at 35% and 36%, respectively. Brewer so far was the only player I found who had similar shooting stats to Burks. And regardless of the motives for his trade from the Jazz all he could get this year was a vet's minimum...

So, my question is "Are there any other examples of SGs who shot below 30% on jumpers in their rookie year besides Brewer?" How much did they improve? Anybody knows?
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
Burks is longer than Wade and may even be quicker, though probably not as good a handle. So, yes, he certainly has the potential. Why the Jazz can't see that, is beyond me. They give Kanter all the time in the world and yet Burks who in my opinion has greater potential is getting nothing.
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He also has 1/10th the strength of Wade.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
Burks is longer than Wade and may even be quicker, though probably not as good a handle. So, yes, he certainly has the potential. Why the Jazz can't see that, is beyond me. They give Kanter all the time in the world and yet Burks who in my opinion has greater potential is getting nothing.
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Every single opinion you have from this moment on is worthless.
 
kennykyle said:
Every single opinion you have from this moment on is worthless.
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So, you know for a fact that Wade is quicker than Burks? I don't. I do know that Burks is very quick off the dribble and while Wade is also, it's not so much his quickness that is his greatest asset but a combination of strength and agility.
 
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