Armstrong never failed a drug test so until he admited that he was juicing it was all rumor and unsubstantiated. So why draw the line with going after just one guy with no proof? Seems pretty hypocriticla to me.
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Armstrong never failed a drug test so until he admited that he was juicing it was all rumor and unsubstantiated. So why draw the line with going after just one guy with no proof? Seems pretty hypocriticla to me.
MoreFeasts
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unsubstantiated - wrong
draw line - wrong
hyopoc - wrong
besides which , your entire post misses the points of my post.
draw line - wrong
hyopoc - wrong
besides which , your entire post misses the points of my post.
agree.
Besides, WGAS, really?
Not quite so sure about McGuire & Sosa though. Not sure how I feel about the steroids in baseball and the records they set while doping.
But I do think Pete Rose belongs in the Hall of Fame. I know it's not really related, but still.
HipHopAnonymous
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Cheating might be somewhat forgiveable.The lying and suing & trying to destroy people who were telling the truth makes him a huge a-hole.
DutchJazzer
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hey franklin bro are u really the dude that wrote that 1 article (bout al jefferson)? u never answered me in that thread
i think franklin has me on ignore bros. somebody quote this so he sees it.
he is not your bro, guy
candrew
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The problem with the "just let every one do it" position is that apparently not everyone gets an equal boost from PEDs. While there have been no scientific studies done, the anecdotal evidence strongly suggests people react differently when a PED is introduced into their system. Some people get a huge boost, some get a negligible boost. In a recent Sports Illustrated Article, one US Cyclist who claims he was pressured to use EPO by Armstrong said he didn't get any benefit from them at all.
So while Armstrong is clearly a world class cyclist, he may not be the best one - just the one whose body reacts the best to drugs.
So while Armstrong is clearly a world class cyclist, he may not be the best one - just the one whose body reacts the best to drugs.
SaltyDawg
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The same can be said of actual physical training. Some guys get ripped really quick or are naturally ripped without even working out, others have to work their *** off to get there.
HeavenHarris
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why do u say that?
Gyp Rosetti
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Shocker here. Sorry but it's not the fact that he juiced. It's the fact that he juiced, adamantly denied it for years in his all high and mighty, I beat cancer, why would I ever put drugs in my body, sort of way, and then comes clean like every other POS when the **** hits the fan and their backs are up against the wall. He may have helped thousands of people with cancer. Good for him. This doesn't change the fact that he's a major doucher of epic proportions and is a pretty ****ty human being from almost all accounts.
Gyp Rosetti
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Meh. If you know the sport, they almost all are.
Gyp Rosetti
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Do you have a point? Or any moral fabric for that matter?
NAOS
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Haven't read the thread, but I thought I'd drop in to declare what a giant douchehole Lance has made himself into. Every non-naive person already knew everybody was juicing, so this record of denial avalanching back onto him is just sorta funny. He should have handled this in an ENTIRELY different fashion.
Whatevar dude.
Whatevar dude.
MoreFeasts
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I don't know the sport, but your statement does not conflict with my statement. Also, there likely were many hundreds or thousands of people who would liked to have made a living in the sport but they did not want to cheat, or they did not have the money or access for the right doctors to help them cheat.
jimmy eat jazz
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It's a big deal because PED use is against the rules of the sport. Vitamins and exercise equipment are not. He cheated, which gave him an unfair advantage against everyone who didn't cheat. (Yes, lots of cyclists cheat, but to say that ALL cheat is unsubstantiated and almost certainly wrong.)
Then he lied about his PED use for years, and bullied and tormented mercilessly those who accused him of cheating. Frankly, I'm less bothered by his cheating than the despicable way in which he bullied and tried to silence his accusers. He's a scumbag who doesn't deserve our compassion or forgiveness, unless and until he apologizes and tries makes amends to all of the people whose lives he tried to ruin.
MoreFeasts
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I wonder whether Lance influenced an increase in cheating in the sport.
The US Postal Service is trying to get back some of the $30,000,000 they spent promoting Lance.
The US Postal Service is trying to get back some of the $30,000,000 they spent promoting Lance.
SaltyDawg
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And this is why it doesn't bother me that he lied about it. Once he came clean, everyone demanded a refund. So how much of that 500 million that he raised for charity would not have happened if he wouldn't have lied?
MoreFeasts
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I am under the imporession that the 30 million was not for charity, but to sponser Lance.'s biking and bank accounts.
MoreFeasts
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Did they cure cancer by the way? No.
Could they have instead used all that charity money instead to reduce cancer causing chemicals in our environment, and thereby reduce cancer cases worldwide? Yes.
Could they have instead used all that charity money instead to reduce cancer causing chemicals in our environment, and thereby reduce cancer cases worldwide? Yes.