This is going to seem crazy
- Thread starter NUMBERICA
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Right about the weather - wrong about everything else.
Am I just not seeing this potential in Boom that everyone else is? He was one of the more awful Jazz players I've seen in quite some time. He looked lost out there most of the time, and didn't seem to make up for it with any sort of aggressiveness.
Ok, after reading, the word "everyone" is a bit off.
Ok, after reading, the word "everyone" is a bit off.
Players don't just get worse at 20 and in their second season. No one disagrees Koufos was horrendous last year when shown the floor, but he looked significantly better after he got sent to the D-League and then called back up.
I just think the kid needed more of a chance and for the price (practically nothing, + team options) the dump seems loony. But again, he's probably on his way out and I probably won't get a chance to say I told you so.
Edit: He'll find his way back to the NBA at some point. He'll probably end up in Europe for a couple of years and then come back to the NBA as a free agent. So we'll see.
I just think the kid needed more of a chance and for the price (practically nothing, + team options) the dump seems loony. But again, he's probably on his way out and I probably won't get a chance to say I told you so.
Edit: He'll find his way back to the NBA at some point. He'll probably end up in Europe for a couple of years and then come back to the NBA as a free agent. So we'll see.
gregbroncs
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Kosta was terrible. It was a great day when they were able to unload him for nothing.
Twin Towers
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Kosta Koufos gets paid 1.2 Million this year. Francisco Elson is going to get paid the Veteran Minimum. He is also 34 years old. Koufos is 21. We didn't save any money Jazzfanz.
He gets pushed around a lot
He is also foul prone.
He can occasionally hit the mid range shot
Athletic for his size
Can block shots occasionally
Not much of an offensive game
Which player am I describing here? because they sound very similar. Jazz made a dumb move by trading him away when he is only 21 and could of developed. Francisco Elson is 34 and will never develop.
I am not saying one player is better than the other but Koufos could improve over time. Elson is not an upgrade over Koufos. We could of let Koufos go next summer anyways if we didn't like his 3rd year.
The Jazz need to stop drafting projects. Projects need playing time. If we are not going to give them playing time than we are wasting our draft picks. They have no experience. Practice doesn't increase your experience. So I guess I am glad Koufos is going to a new team so he can develop. Jazz wouldn't play him anyways.
He gets pushed around a lot
He is also foul prone.
He can occasionally hit the mid range shot
Athletic for his size
Can block shots occasionally
Not much of an offensive game
Which player am I describing here? because they sound very similar. Jazz made a dumb move by trading him away when he is only 21 and could of developed. Francisco Elson is 34 and will never develop.
I am not saying one player is better than the other but Koufos could improve over time. Elson is not an upgrade over Koufos. We could of let Koufos go next summer anyways if we didn't like his 3rd year.
The Jazz need to stop drafting projects. Projects need playing time. If we are not going to give them playing time than we are wasting our draft picks. They have no experience. Practice doesn't increase your experience. So I guess I am glad Koufos is going to a new team so he can develop. Jazz wouldn't play him anyways.
Twin Towers
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I do agree NUMBERICA in theory that they would complement each other on the floor. Koufos could always guard the faster player big man. He has rare ability to guard both positions. Koufos didn't show much when he played but his ability is what made him a good prospect. But Experience is the key still and he came out of college too early. Projects need to be on bad teams so they get playing time or stay in college. One of the reasons why there are so many busts now days. Too much potential. not enough playing time for experience.
InGameStrategy
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Um, my understanding is that salaries of vet minimum players can be subject to an NBA rebate, according to Coon the cap guru:
"When a player has been in the NBA for three or more seasons, and is playing under a one-year, ten-day or rest-of-season contract, the league actually reimburses the team for part of his salary - any amount above the minimum salary level for a two-year veteran."
https://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
So Utah is saving maybe half a million by taking an Elson over a Koufos. It would've been a much more significant financial decision if they had decided not to blow eight figures on reupping Matador Memo-without prior knowledge of the Achilles injury. Okur wasn't gonna get signed anywhere else for more money, even if he were healthy. And then there's the decision not to wait a year on renewing Kirilenko. His albatross contract would've expired already, and he probably would've re-signed for half as much.
While I definitely agree with you that projects need playing time, Al Jefferson would have been considered a project if Utah had drafted him out of high school. Maybe your claim still holds because he took a few years to develop, but even CJ miles--with all the impatience that he exacted among JazzFanz--came along OK at a modest salary.
And in the case of big men, sometimes "projects" are all that's available, especially at a 20ish pick. KK2 was a decent choice at the Jazz's slot, but as you so eloquently pointed out, Koufos lacked the playing time to really develop any consistency. I maintain that it's not a coincidence that he was doing decently in his rookie year and then plummeted when his PT disappeared for no apparent reason. It likely affected his psyche, his physical skills, or both. Sloan repeated history by giving Koufos no notable nod after the Boom Beyotches heard 'round the world. There were times to play KK2 (and Fes, too) when the outcome was not in question--and sometimes when the players on the court were sucking wind anyway.
It would've taken a lot (i.e., a healthy AK and maybe Okur, and both of 'em still might have not been enough) to beat the Fakers, but Utah could've logged a W or two vs. the champs if they had had more big-man development time with the backups. It's not like it sneaked up on them; the same thing happend against the Fakers in the last playoffs or two, too.
Gyp Rosetti
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I agree with you Numberica.
billyshelby
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Koufos lost his confidence pretty badly. I think he could still make it in the league, but it's going to be an uphill battle. The biggest problem he has is he doesn't have any one skill to buy him time on the court to learn. He's not a great defender or rebounder, doesn't score, hasn't proved he can shoot from outside like he did in college, so there isn't really any reason to sub him in. He came out too early. He needs a Euro stint.