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In Defense of Corbin

MoTown16 said:
And it was idiotic not to call for a foul before Milwaukee could launch a 3. Especially with a foul to give. 99% of coaches will tell their guys to foul, just to see what play has been set up or force the other coach to go to a 2nd option.
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This. With a foul to give, no reason to let some time expire then foul before a shot can be launched.

Even with no foul to give, why not let some seconds go by and then foul? I've yet to see a team intentionally miss a free throw, get the rebound and score.
 
Favors should have been brought in for the last play of regulation and Utah should have done the Big 3 with Kanter, Favors, and Millsap. Utah needed defense with that 3 point lead and leaving your best shot blocker and overall defender on the bench during a crucial defensive moment is his coaching error.

My two biggest Corbin coaching complaints are that in close games on key defensive possession he often leaves the weak combo of Millsap and Jefferson on the floor. I get having them on the court for offense, but there have been circumstances where you can trade offense for defense in late game situations. My other issue is that his big starting line-up change was Watson for Tinsley which is a wash rather than replacing Marvin or Foye with Hayward, Burks, Carroll, or even Evans. I think for energy purposes, especially on the road starting Evans or Carroll (or both) would be a step up... a couple Early-Oops to start the game.
 
Jeffrey32 said:
Favors should have been brought in for the last play of regulation and Utah should have done the Big 3 with Kanter, Favors, and Millsap. Utah needed defense with that 3 point lead and leaving your best shot blocker and overall defender on the bench during a crucial defensive moment is his coaching error.

My two biggest Corbin coaching complaints are that in close games on key defensive possession he often leaves the weak combo of Millsap and Jefferson on the floor. I get having them on the court for offense, but there have been circumstances where you can trade offense for defense in late game situations. My other issue is that his big starting line-up change was Watson for Tinsley which is a wash rather than replacing Marvin or Foye with Hayward, Burks, Carroll, or even Evans. I think for energy purposes, especially on the road starting Evans or Carroll (or both) would be a step up... a couple Early-Oops to start the game.
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hey jeffrey, have you ever smoked a "jeffrey"?? answer me please!!!
 
gregbroncs said:
Did I say any of those things? Please quote me if I did. Favors does not play enough because he is flat out better than Paul and Al. He is develping because he has talent and is learning despite lack of playing time. He could be developing much better if he was getting the minutes he already deserves. Favors and Kanter are already learning from their mistakes it's too damn bad our coach does not.
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I can't keep repping you today.
 
Basketball_Romantic23 said:
Read my comment to Motown #25
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I see it and still disagree. Here are games I feel a better coach would have made the Jazz win.

@ New Orleans 11/02/12
@ Boston 11/14/12
@ Philly 11/16/12
V. Clips 12/3/12
V. Clips 12/28/12
V. Chicago 02/08/13
V. Boston 02/25/13
@ Milwuakee 03/04/13

That is 8 games. The Jazz record would be 40-20 if they had won those games and the 4th seed. They were all winnable games and a better coach, for this team, could have made the difference.

The Jazz have the talent to be 40-20.
 
Stoked said:
I see it and still disagree. Here are games I feel a better coach would have made the Jazz win.

@ New Orleans 11/02/12
@ Boston 11/14/12
@ Philly 11/16/12
V. Clips 12/3/12
V. Clips 12/28/12
V. Chicago 02/08/13
V. Boston 02/25/13
@ Milwuakee 03/04/13

That is 8 games. The Jazz record would be 40-20 if they had won those games and the 4th seed. They were all winnable games and a better coach, for this team, could have made the difference.

The Jazz have the talent to be 40-20.
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I'd rep you if I just hadn't already repped you, common man.
 
PKM said:
Franklin is the hardest guy on this board for me to tell when he's trolling. That's a compliment as I can usually see right through that stuff with ease.

I swear I don't know whether Franklin is a genius or he's just so damn inconsistent that he makes me think he's a brilliant troller. Oh well, I'll probably never know.
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Dude.
 
Basketball_Romantic23 said:
I get that Corbin is human and makes mistakes, but why are we hating on Corbin so much. I would say that Marvin Williams might need to be benched, but other than that, the moves he made last night make sense. Consider this

Kanter helped lead the Jazz back from like 15 down. The Jazz were like plus 13 with KAnter on the floor in his final Stint

Kanter went 4-6 from the field in his last stint, posting 12 points, 7 rebounds in the 4th quarter and the overtime.

Favors was playing well and I liked what i saw last night.

But It wasn't even a lack of a defensive presence down low that killed us.

What killed us was J.J., Monta, and Jennings hitting big time JUMP shots.

The game could have gone either way

Had millsap made that last free throw he took in regulation, Jazz win

And if the Jazz would have one, we wouldn't even be having this conversation

I think I could name 15 coaches in the NBA that are not as good as he is.

Plus, we have over achieved the last two seasons!!

I think we should give Corbin a break.
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I was upset with Corbin couldn't find rest for Hayward and Millsap. Carroll was playing better than Hayward and Millsap needed a rest in the fourth. It is the coach's job to manage who plays and for how long. Favors should have earned the right to go back into the game. However, this wasn't the biggest problem I have with Corbin.

My biggest problem with Corbin is the decision to play non-performing vets over the young guys. His persistence to say the young guys have to earn minutes and can't handle playing too much regardless how they are playing is ridiculous and hypocritical.

Burks finally got playing time because of injuries to other players.

THe fact he can't see that Carroll is way better than Marvin Williams.

THe fact he replaced Tinsley and started playing Watson with no explanation or real reason why.

The fact that Evans rots on the bench after a very good performance because he has to get minutes for Marvin.

The fact he starts Watson over Burks at the PG position.

The fact that he praises the vets when they obvious are not playing hard or suck.

The fact that he thinks the young guys have to learn from the vets even though they out play the vets.

Playing Foye when he can't through it in the ocean.

I do not dislike Ty as a person but he is way over his head with being a head coach.
 
cowhide said:
I was upset with Corbin couldn't find rest for Hayward and Millsap. Carroll was playing better than Hayward and Millsap needed a rest in the fourth. It is the coach's job to manage who plays and for how long. Favors should have earned the right to go back into the game. However, this wasn't the biggest problem I have with Corbin.

My biggest problem with Corbin is the decision to play non-performing vets over the young guys. His persistence to say the young guys have to earn minutes and can't handle playing too much regardless how they are playing is ridiculous and hypocritical.

Burks finally got playing time because of injuries to other players.

THe fact he can't see that Carroll is way better than Marvin Williams.

THe fact he replaced Tinsley and started playing Watson with no explanation or real reason why.

The fact that Evans rots on the bench after a very good performance because he has to get minutes for Marvin.

The fact he starts Watson over Burks at the PG position.

The fact that he praises the vets when they obvious are not playing hard or suck.

The fact that he thinks the young guys have to learn from the vets even though they out play the vets.

Playing Foye when he can't through it in the ocean.

I do not dislike Ty as a person but he is way over his head with being a head coach.
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Marry me.
 
MoTown16 said:
Nice negative rep, Lunatic. Can you show me where I said they were a top-4 team? I said they've underachieved. Jazz shouldn't be a fringe playoff team, in the 8th spot and headed towards the lottery instead of vying for a better spot.

Jazz should be as good as Denver (Iguodala, Gallinari, Lawson, Faried and Koufos). C'mon, that's not better than what Utah has - except for Ty starting the Invisible-3. I'd even say they should be CLOSE to Memphis: Grizzlies don't have the depth Utah does and Randolph is their AGING all-star. And the Jazz should certainly be better than Golden State. Or Houston. But Utah is backsliding, not playing well down the stretch. And a big part of that has to be put on Ty's head.
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Denver is way better position by position then we are. Even if you sub in Kanter or Favors.
 
Hartsock said:
Things that killed us

1. Having 3 starters go 0-15, its a fluke, it sucks, can't plan for that
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I guess it is a fluke. Against the Clippers they went 1-14 and against the Bobcats they went 4-14. At least those weren't goose eggs.

Since they all start break they've shot 27% from the field. I say it's becoming a trend.
 
franklin said:
Good point on why Sap may have missed late game FT's.

I don't know what you think the disagreement is though. I'm not a fan of any of these players getting significant minutes but I do understand why Corbin plays them a bit. Marvin's minutes are down the last nine games. Shouldn't we give Corbin props for using him less when he's been this ineffective?

My theory on why Earl plays at all is he's nothing but a placeholder until Mo returns. The Jazz and Corbin believe in stability and don't want to change the starting rotation dramatically only to dump on guys when he has to change it back after Mo returns. Take out Watson and you have to go with Burks-Carroll-Hayward just to advance the ball. I now agree with the argument that Mo-Carroll-Hayward should start after Mo comes back, but I'm not sure there's enough rebounding or shooting in that group and there's also a weakness at guarding opposing threes.

The talent growth of the young has no doubt surpassed the old guard. They're still making boneheaded mistakes though and that's something a good coach should bench them for doing. It'll be nice next season when all these questions are a thing of the past.
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Stability is getting the Jazz destroyed, absolutely destroyed in the 3rd quarter. Since February the Jazz have been outscored a combined 52 points in 14 games (and average of 3.7 points a game). So when the 4th quarter starts you can damn near guarantee the Jazz should just forfeit the quarter and give the other team 4 points, and lately I really wish the Jazz could just do that. They've only won five 3rd quarter in the last 14 games. But what's far more disturbing to me is that in the last five games the Jazz have not only not won a single 4th quarter, but have given up double digit deficits in three of them (and 8 points to the Hawks). Lately they are getting destroyed, and the common theme is the three jokers who are starting for the Jazz.

You cannot have three subpar players starting for your team. Heck, even two is bad. At least Foye has nights where he can be good. Marv since the new year has been horrid (a whopping 5.5 PPG) and Watson/Tinsley are just terrible in general. The lineup is just crippled, especially when Foye is in a slump.

I have no idea why a starting lineup of Kanter, Favors, Burks, Hayward, and Carroll is feasible. Other than the dumbass "vets get their starts" rule that Ty seems to obey. No other team runs like this. Only the Jazz put their best players on the bench.
 
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