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Fair Share?

If the key to fixing our economy is to pump out my college grads then why are repubs looking at cuts to Pell Grants and subsidized loans? What the hell is NCLB doing to help? Why are repubs so against Obama extending the extension of being able to stay on parent health insurance? Don't they want kids to focus on the education so they can obtain the highest level of edu possible? How can this happen if they have to worry about insurance?

My friend is a great example. A fantastic teacher. Unfortunately, he cannot afford to student teach (and an internship lasts for an entire year and doesn't pay the bills. Internships here in Utah= half pay no benefits of a 1st year teacher. That would land you somewhere between $12-15 grand THE ENTIRE YEAR. Wheras student teaching is ZERO pay for essentially a semester of teaching).

Blame him for being a lazy *** and not graduating with a college degree but stalling out one semester short in order to continue to work full time at his job as a teller at a bank?
Blame the edu system for not having talented or motivated teachers? This guy is extremely talented and motivated... But just can't afford to take the hit for a sem/year.
Blame him for getting married and having a kid? But but but... repubs hate sex edu and birth control!!!

What a situation!

So we have enough money to spend decades in Iraq and Afghanistan, chasing ghosts of WMDs, and spending 4x as much as China and 8x as much as Russia in defense... Yet... We don't have enough money to sufficiently fund our educational system?

How does that make ANY sense?

Why are states cutting education? Utah in particular. What the hell??? How long as we going to be dead last in per-pupil spending? How many days was it debated their ridiculous concealed weapons permit nonsense bills compared to education funding?
 
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Simple question...

Why can't capital gains ever be mentioned?

Foxnews pundits always bring up this income tax gap yet seem silent when it comes to capital gains. Why?

Do they not want to mention that the largest source of the upper bracket's income isn't "income" but returns on capital gains? Why can't we lose these loopholes? Why should Mitters pay less on capital gains than I do on income? C'mon man, show some patriotism!

Also, why don't we take into consideration that there will always be poor/poorer people who won't pay income taxes? This was the case in 1950 and is the case in 2013. Their taxes haven't changed much. But those in the upper brackets? Have seen a complete revolution when it comes to their taxes.

Why?
 
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Other peoples find it hard to believe that an American working man can own his own comfortable home and a car and send his children to well-equipped elementary and high schools and to colleges as welll... Relatively few nations have the socially conscious type of private enterprise that we enjoy.

Here, private enterprise, with minimal intervention by government, strives to benefit all the people... As each of the nations of the free economy examines its own actions and unflinchingly takes the greatest possible responsibility for its own economic advance, it must make certain that the blessings of production benefit all its people, not only a favored few.
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Dwight D Eisenhower

How far we have fallen.
 
SaltyDawg said:
I'm just saying that pointing out how your factory worker friends could easily be in your position (if they worked as hard as you) is counter productive in the grand scheme of things.

The reality is you're probably much closer to the salary of those factory worker friends of yours than you are to the CEO's salary at the same factory. And I doubt the CEO worked that much harder than you to get there.
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Understood and we probably agree in the grand scheme of things. I am skeptical, however, on fostering an easy-life environment that seems to be so well taken advantage of these days. I know very few people, including myself, who grow to their full potential after hitting their comfort zone, or even well before. Putting in the mental effort and diligence that the vast majority of rich people do is one possibility that many of us refuse to devote ourselves to. Instead, we seem content living a fat and happy lifestyle until an early retirement where we become a ward of the government and contribute to sucking the middle class dry while feeding the wealth divide.
 
The Thriller said:
First of all... What factory workers? Does the USA still have factories? Where?

Secondly, we have a record # of college grads right now. They're one of the worst off financially right now. No jobs and tons of debt. And it's not like this is something "weird" or "unusual." We've been trending this way for quite some time. Welcome to the 20th and 21st centuries where education actually matters. For a long time more and more degrees have been handed out.

Interestingly enough, as # of degrees handed out has increased the income gap has increased, and middle-class salaries have stagnated. So I don't think that Americans being "lazy asses" is very relevant to this discussion... Certainly not as relevant as the discussion of the tax structure and benefits being slanted in favor of the rich.

Which brings us to the next discussion...

Look at how rates have fallen since the 50s:

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Now if lower rates meant more growth and higher rates meant less growth, then how do repubs explain this???

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To quickly answer the author's question...

When will they be paying their fair share? Once marginal tax rates are what back to what they were in the 50s and early 60s. Which, should be awesome to repubs!
They seem to have a love affair with the 50s. When premarital, homosexual, and interracial sex never happened, kids were respectful, America was awesome, everyone flew their flags, NO EPA was around to prevent companies from polluting water and air, women were modest, and everybody knew your name.
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You honestly believe I'm going to engage you. That's cute. I only read portions of this because I read before logging in. I gave up after the first few sentences as there were already enough falacies to bother with the rest of the drivel.

You'd serve yourself well to set aside your ideological mental blocks and begin studying for the sake of learning.
 
franklin said:
You honestly believe I'm going to engage you. That's cute. I only read portions of this because I read before logging in. I gave up after the first few sentences as there were already enough falacies to bother with the rest of the drivel.

You'd serve yourself well to set aside your ideological mental blocks and begin studying for the sake of learning.
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You're the op? Because that's who I was addressing specifically at one point of the previous post. Engage with? It's a damn message board. Anyone and everyone can engage in discussion that's the whole point of posting on a message board rather than a pm. Typical drivel from you insult the messenger rather than address the message
 
The term "college grad" has become almost meaningless. In this day and age, a huge amount of "college degrees" consists of nothing more than a training certificate in a specific field of practice where job availability is not necessarily that great. Look at all of the colleges that advertise on TV. Most of the degrees they advertise are for jobs that barely pay a livable wage but leave you $40-$80K in debt.

Colleges are using the promise of guaranteed money from the federal government to sell very expensive yet nearly meaningless degrees. I recall reading that many of these privately owned colleges are actually owned by Sallie Mae.
 
franklin said:
None of my good friends from the factory in the same situation as me went to school when I did while working there.
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It takes superior intelligence to go to college while working full time. Many people just are not able.

Back when I was washing dishes, most of my coworkers had a second job.
 
I'd say when everyone can see a doctor, go to school, and minimum wage can actually get you to survive.

I know, totally irrational.
 
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