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Jazz4ever
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Yes please.
Fishsticks
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You are underestimating plum lee IMO. Like insanely. He is not a star but a 20 min guy is in his cards.
Stifle Tower
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He doesn't have to be better than Burks. He has to be better than Burks AND the player we could have had at #14. That's the problem I have with these kind of deals. We'd be giving up a guy who could be a pretty solid rotation player (Burks) plus a lottery pick who probably would be a pretty solid rotation player...perhaps even the answer as our third big. And decent bigs are not easy to find. In exchange, we get ONE player we HOPE will be able to play PG. This isn't like choosing Deron vs. CP3. Everyone pretty much agreed those two would be franchise players. Is McCollum worth two lottery picks or would the Jazz be better served by saving their #14 PLUS Burks and going the FA route?
Stifle Tower
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Because outside of Stockton and DWill, we've had so many stellar PG's like McLeod, Hart, Knight, Watson and Tinsley. Yep, the Jazz sure can find hidden gems!
Fishsticks
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Maybe the trade is to the suns and not sacto. Hornacek may think burks is the real deal and we may only need to pair him with 21 and 46. Learned this from my source Kiki.
spycam1
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Or better yet, both picks for McCollum, keep Burks, draft Shabazz.
The goal isn't to have more players. The goal is to have better players and put the best combination of players on the floor.
If you can trade two assets to get one that you really want, it's still a good opportunity.
If you can trade two assets to get one that you really want, it's still a good opportunity.
Fishsticks
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Come on.....those were always known as stop gaps. No one went nuts to get them.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
But what other evidence is there that the organization "knows" PG's? OK, Stockton was a real find. That was the 80's under Layden. And DWill? Really can't say KOC was a genius. Everyone and their dog was saying there were two franchise PG's in the draft: Williams and CP3. KOC couldn't even find a "stop gap" PG that was worth a damn. Burks and the 21 would be good value for McCollum. Or perhaps the Jazz could buy a late 1st rounder and then trade up from the 21st slot. That would take the sting out of giving up Burks AND the #14.
Jazz4ever
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Other things to consider though are:
-the C4 all are potentially gonna get PAID within the next two years, meaning we could potentially lose one to over zealous owners like Paul Allen and Mark Cuban.
-Unlike Burks, Hayward, and Kanter, CJ is ready from day one. He will fit right in with our youth from the get go.
-Burks and Hayward, optimally, play the same position. If you want them on the court at the same time you are probably sacrificing something on the defensive end at least to make it work.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
I guess if you consider Hayward ONLY a SG and not able to play any minutes at SF. And consider Burks ONLY a SG and not able to play as a backup PG. Alec seemed to play pretty well alongside Foye last year. What really irritates me is that Corbin played an aging Foye, who was slumping and clearly gassed, instead of giving additional minutes to Burks. Alec could be worth a lot more right now. Instead, the Jazz are selling low.
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Did you see my earlier post about my source Kiki?
Has anyone here drank the refined version jaegar, fernet?
UGLI baby
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Yup.
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Twin Towers
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I am not a fan of CJ but I am not a hater. I am hating though that people are comparing him to All-star point guards. These point guards everyone is comparing him to showed in College that they could be CONSISTENT play makers and make there teammates better.
CJ did not do that. He averaged almost as many turnovers as he did assists. Now I understand his teammates were not very good but he should not be compared to these proven play makers. He has a long way to go to become a consistent PG. And everyone needs to stop putting so much expectations on the guy before he has even played.
Promote what he can do. He can shoot and is a decent at everything else. Not great at anything specific. I see him as a role player but a very good one.
Stop adding abilities to his game that are not proven yet. Be more realistic.
If we can get CJ and Bazz I would be way happy. I would rather have Burke and would hope we can trade up to get him. But if we can keep the 14th pick and get CJ its a better deal. Burke is better than CJ but probably not better than CJ and the 14th pick.
Tough part is do you think the Jazz want that many young players in the rotation. Nobody knows really.
CJ did not do that. He averaged almost as many turnovers as he did assists. Now I understand his teammates were not very good but he should not be compared to these proven play makers. He has a long way to go to become a consistent PG. And everyone needs to stop putting so much expectations on the guy before he has even played.
Promote what he can do. He can shoot and is a decent at everything else. Not great at anything specific. I see him as a role player but a very good one.
Stop adding abilities to his game that are not proven yet. Be more realistic.
If we can get CJ and Bazz I would be way happy. I would rather have Burke and would hope we can trade up to get him. But if we can keep the 14th pick and get CJ its a better deal. Burke is better than CJ but probably not better than CJ and the 14th pick.
Tough part is do you think the Jazz want that many young players in the rotation. Nobody knows really.
CALJAZZFAN
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I don't necessarily disagree with your point, but we didn't draft most of those players and the ones we drafted weren't 1st round picks.
