My frustration with this franchise is reaching a peak

[Deleted member 365]

The Lakers were expecting Kobe back at reasonable strength.

The Celtics are in the East.

Step back and take a breath dude, take in the view.

Rondo just came back for the celtics. I don't know how good they will be, but Im guessing that rondo will help his franchise win a few more games.


Same with Kobe. However, I could see Kobe recognizing that his best chance for winning his 6th might hinge on tanking this year and getting a high pick.

The Jazz will need to get creative and maximize assets. Superstars win championships. Folks constantly bring up the Pistons model as if that were a smart model to follow. For every pistons team championship there are 30 others which were won by superstars. Besides, it was done against a brutal. Lakers team playing without their HOF PF.

Burks coming out of the closet could be the break we were needing. Package burks and our pick for Jabari. You can't tell me that the idiotic GMs drafting ahead of us wouldn't consider this. I just saw a ridiculous Pistons team.

 

[gomretat]

People can be mad they are winning but to act like we are not developing our young talent is bogus. The boys who need time on the floor are all playing more than 25 minutes a game.

 

[oldtimer]

What exactly are the Lakers and the Celtics doing that the Jazz are not? In the sense of trying to lose more games? Are they not throwing the best players they currently have out on the floor, and are they not just garbage?

As for the lakers they messed with Pau's head by trying to trade him every day and really hard just 3 weeks ago. It was obvious they want to tank.

How exactly are the Lakers tanking? Moreover, when did they decide this? They were 10-9 just over a month ago. If they've been tanking since November, they weren't exactly doing a great job. The Celtics were in a playoff spot a month ago, as well.

They decided to kiss off the season the moment Kobe got re-injured.

 

[oldtimer]

This team already has five quality draft picks. The superstar you're looking for might be with the team already.
Young Jazz are getting better, gaining confidence, winning games.
So why don't we just shut up and enjoy good basketball instead of hoping to lose?

The answer is because there is zero chance at the playoffs. Winning games now after going 1-14 in the western conference this year is futile and it makes our draft position worse. Winning games now is detrimental to winning games for 10 years.

 

[oldtimer]

People can be mad they are winning but to act like we are not developing our young talent is bogus. The boys who need time on the floor are all playing more than 25 minutes a game.

Yes and no. Our young guys are developing. I think Kanter and Burks would be even further along if they had been given more time on the court. More interesting is that the core 5 players are not being allowed to play together. They can all play, but can they play together? They never got the chance because as soon as Trey came back from injury kanter went to the bench. And for some inexplicable reason Jefferson, the back stabbing piece of used toilet paper, plays over Burks.

 

[Primetime]

People can be mad they are winning but to act like we are not developing our young talent is bogus. The boys who need time on the floor are all playing more than 25 minutes a game.

It is indeed but is anybody really questioning this? The most people realize that our core is getting better each and every day.

 

[franklin]

For the most part our recent success has been young guys playing well, it's hard to do much about that. We should probably get rid of Marv and Richard Jefferson, but it's also silly to think that these guys both suck and will somehow create a huge dent in this team that will cause us to lose lots of games.

That's the logic around these parts though. Somehow, at once, Marvin and Richard are both insignificant players who are in no way contributing positively to the growth of our young core, as well are players who are so good, they're the reason why we've been playing .500 ball since that 1-13 start. Boggles the mind, doesn't it.

Funny the difference one game can make. The past week it's been nothing but praising the youngins for winning every award possible. Today it's blame the vets/coach/org for those youngins winning.

 

[franklin]

People can be mad they are winning but to act like we are not developing our young talent is bogus. The boys who need time on the floor are all playing more than 25 minutes a game.

Exactly. They've been developing them for three years at a very healthy pace.

Most the angst is over watching vets that everyone knows won't take the Jazz anywhere so we want the youth movement to come quicker than they're ready for. They weren't ready or deserving more minutes in the past, or deserving many more than they've gotten thus far... bitching about PT is an excuse for vet hate.

 

[mct]

These threads that pop up every time the team plays well are hilarious. Playing well isn't a bad thing for the future. The future would be much bleaker if all the lottery picks we've acquired over the last four years were incapable of winning games.

I admit, the messaging was working on me when the Jazz were 1-14, and I thought we had a real chance at super hyped freshman for once. It's fun to imagine a future with Jabari on this team. But everyone needs to realize why the draft lottery exists. Yes, it does help give superstar talent to bad teams, but WAY MORE THAN THAT its purpose is to condition fans of bad teams into believing there is hope.

Our fan base is different than most in that we haven't become disillusioned yet by several years at the bottom. Based on freak out threads like these, some are clinging a bit too emotionally to the hope manufactured by the lottery system.

While I agree that a poor record this season would have a good chance of helping us in the future, the situation is so much more complicated than winning is now losing and losing is now winning.

Do you realize what it would cost for the Jazz to become a legit bottom-three team, what it would mean? In a perfect world we could achieve it while still keeping all of our future talent. We could break another Trey's fingers and convince Stern to let us replay the league's most difficult schedule.

No, we'd have to jettison actual talent and/or fake some injuries.

OOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRR we could just trade Marvin and RJ to contenders for picks (Contenders hate picks and love veterans!). And then to be safe we should probably trade Burks and our pick to Milwaukee or Orlando for their top-2 pick. Why isn't our idiot front office doing this already??>?? It's so obvious!

 

[fishonjazz]

Oh, it's that easy, right? You just throw random players on the court, tell them to "hustle" and "play hard" and they all improve? What is this, NBA2K franchise mode? Do you even acknowledge the possibility that certain players may work better with other players and certain players are better suited for one position than another?

You should read the game threads lately.
This dude named primetime posts the advanced stats each game and for quite a while now he has shown that the core 5 all playing together has been very effective and productive...... and enes and derrick on the court together has been working

 

[fishonjazz]

Oh, it's that easy, right? You just throw random players on the court, tell them to "hustle" and "play hard" and they all improve? What is this, NBA2K franchise mode? Do you even acknowledge the possibility that certain players may work better with other players and certain players are better suited for one position than another? There's more to developing players than who plays one or two minutes more. Hell, most development happens outside the game. It happens in practice.



Why are you so obsessed with who's starting and who's not?

Why are you?

You seem to be obsessed with marv and jefferson starting and alec and enes off the bench even though we are 2-1 with alec starting in the last 3 games (2 of them easy wins and one a close loss against the best team in the west on the road)

 

[fishonjazz]

You have an irrational hatred of Marvin and Richard. That's cool, but at least admit that it's irrational and that you're willing to make ludicrous claim and bend evidence to suit your hatred.

I dont hate marvin or jeffy (and have said many times that i would like marv back next year to shore up the bench) i just love our young guys.
Huge difference.

Why do you hate alec and enes so much?