The OFFICIAL don't draft Joel Embiid thread

[JimLes]

Also notice who the announcer compares embiid to "very olijuwanesque"

He traveled. He picks up his pivot foot.

Plus, is this Duncanesque? https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=wxRtO1bMdxs#t=255

Dude does the dream shake once, travels while doing it, and people are anointing him the next Olajuwon as a most likely scenario. The whole world's gone mad.

 

[Beantown]

Yeah? So could the list of people who are 5'11". And 6'2". And 6'5". And 6'8".

Thanks for proving my point..........

 

[JimLes]

No one is saying that Embiid will be Olajuwon.

Then what are you saying he will be? Let's not beat around the bush and make vague predictions that you can never be called to task on later.

I'm saying is that Roy Hibbert is his max.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Even if you can "make a case" for his lackluster stats you still have his skinny body frame.

I can't be the first person to mention that he's an 18 year old that weighs 250 pounds (and no evident fat of any mention), can I?

 

[Beantown]

So what height does automatically make you successful in the nba.

Also who said he will be good just cause he is 7 feet?

Uh....there is no height that makes you automatically successful in the NBA......

Nobody said he would be good. BLine just said him being 7 feet tall is special and rare.......which its not....

Plenty of 7 footers huh? If there are plenty of them, why don't you go ahead and tell us who they are?

I will get you started:

Timmy, The Gasol's, The Lopez brother, and the list drops off from there to Bynum, Oden, etc.

 

[fishonjazz]

He traveled. He picks up his pivot foot.

Plus, is this Duncanesque? https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=wxRtO1bMdxs#t=255

Dude does the dream shake once, travels while doing it, and people are anointing him the next Olajuwon as a most likely scenario. The whole world's gone mad.

Dude does the dream shake, has great size and mobility, great defensibe instincts, soft hand, good footwork, nice outside shot, good touch, excellent passing, is a quick learner, hard worker, and has fire, as a freshman and people are annointing him the next thabeet.
Whole worlds gone mad

 

[NUMBERICA]

Hakeem also played on a stacked team and posted crazy numbers straight away. But I'll tell you what. If Joel Embiid leads his team to an NBA finals in his second season and puts up 24-12-3-2-2 a game doing it, I will fly out to wherever fishonjazz lives and eat his *****.

What the **** is this?

 

[Deleted member 848]

You talked about his elite skills

Where?

which I took to be implication that it would have something to do with his NBA career.

That's your mistake, not mine.

If you're talking about him being elite at college level, that has nothing to do with anything. Elite skills from college translate to the NBA...how often exactly?

I'm not talking about either, actually.


Here is my post:

big-men with a) elite post-moves b) elite defense c) superb passing skills are MUCH more than a complimentary player. Players with those 3 facets are the players that build dynasties-- and despite the fact that they might have formidable bust-potential, that's why you keep a close eye on them, and swing for the fences if you manage to get a chanceat them. Name 3 big-men currently in the NBA who can claim to have those traits. Ibaka doesn't NEARLY have the court-vision that Embiid does (watching Kansas games, and not highlights would help you realize this). Love has great vision, poor defense. Blake has okay passing, good scoring, but poor defense. Duncan is almost retired. Notice the trend? Even Kanter and Favors, if they manage to secure both categories (unlikely) will never have Embiid's vision.

If there is a prospect that has a chance at having those three skills in the NBA, you draft him first-overall-- no question about it. Is Embiid the guy? Well, there hasn't been a prospect as promising (note how I am not making any concrete evaluations of whether his game is elite for college, or will be in the NBA) as him in all three areas.


This is precisely why you keep a close eye on him, watch him perform in games, and not cast him off as a Serge Ibaka or a ****ing Hashim Thabeet just because "well he isn't dominating offensively, his assists are low, and he just started playing basketball". Those are all arguments that could have worked for Olajuwon on his freshmen seasons, and they are garbage reasons for saying that a draftee won't be a hall-of-famer.

 

[fishonjazz]

Uh....there is no height that makes you automatically successful in the NBA......

Nobody said he would be good. BLine just said him being 7 feet tall is special and rare.......which its not....

Its more special and rare than players under 7 feet..... do you agree.

Also how many seven footers do you run into each day?

It is special and rare even if there is 50 of em in the nba (which i dont think there is)

 

[fishonjazz]

Basically a couple of people think embiid wont be very good.

Everyone else does
Sums up the thread.

 

[JimLes]

This is precisely why you keep a close eye on him, watch him perform in games, and not cast him off as a Serge Ibaka or a ****ing Hashim Thabeet just because "well he isn't dominating offensively, his assists are low, and he just started playing basketball". Those are all arguments that could have worked for Olajuwon on his freshmen seasons, and they are garbage reasons for saying that a draftee won't be a hall-of-famer.

Hakeem was one in a million. Some of it was simply dumb luck.

I don't deny that Embiid is talented(comparing someone to Hibbert is no insult), but to say he could be a Hakeem Olajuwon is saying he's a once in 20-30 years kind of talent. I just don't get that he is.

 

[bordelais7]

...Dude does the dream shake once, travels while doing it...

This is redundant.