Gordon Hayward Mentioned On Power Rankings

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I'm not really sure what to make of Hayward's performance this year. I do know that if we're gonna be a successful team, then his role will be markedly different than it was this year. I think the experience has been good for him, but how he parlays that into (likely) a re-emphasis on off-ball play (particularly spot-up shooting) will be interesting.

Bottom line:
you can't have Gordon running the show when he can't hit the pull-up J or finish drives.

^spinning from this onto a different topic:

I think we also have to wonder if Burke is really our guy at PG. For whatever reason, he has not garnered any greater trust in running the offense this year. He looks like a wallflower a lot of the time, and I hate his inability to get to the free throw line. A lot.

 

[green]

^spinning from this onto a different topic:

I think we also have to wonder if Burke is really our guy at PG. For whatever reason, he has not garnered any greater trust in running the offense this year. He looks like a wallflower a lot of the time, and I hate his inability to get to the free throw line. A lot.

I have no clue with Kanter and Burke. Both have a lot of potential, and could do really good things and both have bad habits.

Could a new coach come in and help those two? I hope so. They both have borderline All-Star potential, but both could end up bench guys their whole careers as well.

 

[Qman]

To put Gordon's season in perspective see the following for the last 3 seasons.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/haywago01.html

Win Shares/48
0.116
0.123
0.065

PER
15.5
16.8
16.3

For comparison - Paul George

Win Shares/48
.148
.145
.186

PER
16.5
16.8
20.5


In Hayward's best season he was an above average starter. In the last two he is just barely better than an average starter. Average starters have value but we shouldn't over value him.

 

[mellow]

So Locke is on 1280 talking about Haywards greatness.

The host says that he doesn't like Hayward's body language, Locke responds that "Hayward is frustrated because they are losing, and he is shooting a low percentage because the jazz asked him to shoot fewer long twos and more 3s and a couple of other things that have been bothering him but nobody knows about because Hayward is a good guy."

I took it to mean Jazz related not personal. So what are the other things bothering him? Come on internets start speculating!

 

[Stoked]

I have no clue with Kanter and Burke. Both have a lot of potential, and could do really good things and both have bad habits.

Could a new coach come in and help those two? I hope so. They both have borderline All-Star potential, but both could end up bench guys their whole careers as well.

They are also both really young and have not had the best coaching staff. The need for the right coach is phenominally huge.

I think Kanter and Burke will be fine. Not all of the Core 5 are going to be huge. To me it seems evident that we have an excellent core, a supporting staff. We just need that centerpiece and to arrange the others into their proper roles.

This draft and the choice of coach will make or break this team.

 

[Stifle Tower]

So Locke is on 1280 talking about Haywards greatness.

The host says that he doesn't like Hayward's body language, Locke responds that "Hayward is frustrated because they are losing, and he is shooting a low percentage because the jazz asked him to shoot fewer long twos and more 3s and a couple of other things that have been bothering him but nobody knows about because Hayward is a good guy."

I took it to mean Jazz related not personal. So what are the other things bothering him? Come on internets start speculating!

1. Jazz didn't agree to his contract demands last summer.
2. Ty Corbin.
3. Everyone keeps reminding him Paul George was a lower draft pick.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

Hayward will look better if he had a better coach, if he was surrounded by better players, if he had a contract, if he wasn't engaged...that's a lot of IF's.

Hayward is certainly elite when it comes to the quantity and creativity of the excuses for his play.

 

[JimLes]

1. Jazz didn't agree to his contract demands last summer.

Worse yet, you could argue that after not agreeing to a contract, the Jazz shunted him into a vastly different role than he had been erstwhile groomed for and that given the circumstances surrounding the whole team, he would most likely struggle in. All this in a contract year, too. I'd be a little bit pissed.

 

[akirac73]

Worse yet, you could argue that after not agreeing to a contract, the Jazz shunted him into a vastly different role than he had been erstwhile groomed for and that given the circumstances surrounding the whole team, he would most likely struggle in. All this in a contract year, too. I'd be a little bit pissed.

So Gordon wanted the paycheck of a team leader/superstar/face-of-the-franchise type player but when thrust into that role and given the opportunity to prove himself worthy of such a role, he fails miserably and is pissed. So who exactly is he pissed at?

 

[Sexual Favors]

Worse yet, you could argue that after not agreeing to a contract, the Jazz shunted him into a vastly different role than he had been erstwhile groomed for and that given the circumstances surrounding the whole team, he would most likely struggle in. All this in a contract year, too. I'd be a little bit pissed.

This is that hard asset management strategy the FO has always talked about. They knew the situation could lower his performance, and thus make him less appealing and costly, or if he succeeded, then he'd be worth every penny of what they gave him.

So Gordon wanted the paycheck of a team leader/superstar/face-of-the-franchise type player but when thrust into that role and given the opportunity to prove himself worthy of such a role, he fails miserably and is pissed. So who exactly is he pissed at?

Contract negotiations occurred after the team was blown up and the new role was defined. He probably didn't want to tank, and since they were making him the new #1 option, he probably wanted to be paid like at least a #2 since the team was putting him in a position where it could all blow up in his face. Speculation is fun.

 

[Hantlers]

Worse yet, you could argue that after not agreeing to a contract, the Jazz shunted him into a vastly different role than he had been erstwhile groomed for and that given the circumstances surrounding the whole team, he would most likely struggle in. All this in a contract year, too. I'd be a little bit pissed.

You mean they put him in a leading role after he wanted a contract that would assume he should be in a leading role?

Yeah…he should be pissed.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I agree with the quote in the OP. He's being asked to create with his drives and passing from the top of the circle, and the Jazz have limited options---just a couple spot-up shooters, Favors on a pick-and-roll, and Hayward's own attempt at the rim.

He'll look great though when someone else is attracting most of the defense's attention. He's a great ball mover and versatile player.