30 for 30 Bad Boys

[Fabtrey]

it was awesome. basketball was so much better when the league allowed players to be physical and players didn't flop. like simmons said, there were 3 glamorous team in this era in lakers, celtics. and then bulls. but Pistons crashed the party and won back to back. criminally underrated team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6XNqYf03Qk0

 

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Then jump in a time machine and gtfoh

 

[Fabtrey]

hate to admit this but isiah thomas was better then my boy stockton. in all time ranking and in their peak value. 2nd greatest PG of all time. stockton would be #3. just too bad stockton couldn't win a ring.

 

[Harambe]

hate to admit this but isiah thomas was better then my boy stockton. in all time ranking and in their peak value. 2nd greatest PG of all time. stockton would be #3. just too bad stockton couldn't win a ring.

Blasphemy. Shut your mouth.

 

[Fabtrey]

why is it a blasphemy? so saying tim duncan is better than karl malone a blasphemy too? sorry, but duncan was better than malone too.

I'm a basketball purest. winning a championship as a lead dog is extremely important to me. stockton is my childhood hero. but i can't say he is the greatest when Magic won 5 rings and when isiah won 2 rings(3 straight finals and should've 3 peat) in the greatest era of NBA.

all of them are great players. but championships matter when you are splitting hair. sorry, but stockton is 3rd greatest PG of all time, and absolutely nothing wrong with being 3rd best because this league had many great pgs. just too bad we couldn't beat jordan. if we beat them at least once i would've put stockton at #2 because 1 ring and his career achievement would be enough to overtake #2 spot.


logic doesn't apply in this board sometimes. it's always about being a jazz homer. that's why i left this friggin board so many damn times.

 

[Harambe]

why is it a blasphemy? so saying tim duncan is better than karl malone a blasphemy too? sorry, but duncan was better than malone too.

I'm a basketball purest. winning a championship as a lead dog is extremely important to me. stockton is my childhood hero. but i can't say he is the greatest when Magic won 5 rings and when isiah won 2 rings(3 straight finals and should've 3 peat) in the greatest era of NBA. all of them are great players. but championship matter. sorry, but stockton is 3rd greatest PG of all time, and absolutely nothing wrong with being 3rd best.


logic doesn't apply in this board sometimes. it's always about being a jazz homer. that's why i left this friggin board so many damn times.

Oh heavens no. It's totally fair to think Duncan is a better PF than Malone, as it's very, very close.

Isaiah Thomas is a chump that hid behind the actual bad boys. Big difference.

 

[Fabtrey]

Oh heavens no. It's totally fair to think Duncan is a better PF than Malone, as it's very, very close.

Isaiah Thomas is a chump that hid behind the actual bad boys. Big difference.

duncan is top 7-8 of all time. karl can't never be in the top 13. honestly, duncan pull so far ahead of karl. they aren't even comparable anymore. that's just how things are. if karl won at least 1 ring then you can say they are pretty close. but 4 ring(5appearances) vs. 0ring(2appearances). and duncan is still going strong. come playoff time he turns back the clock and becomes a beast.

stockton and thomas are actually much closer to each other than karl and duncan IMO.


head to head match up between zeke and stockton.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=thomais01&p2=stockjo01


i don't hate bad boys. i actually loved them. i always liked pistons because i hated the bulls and celtics and they took care of them many times. zeke was nasty. one of the greatest functional handles all time, and just knew how to make others better. he is the real life boss. baby face assassin really was a better nickname for him. one of the toughest competitor ever walked on earth. he is up there with MJ and kobe as far as competitive fire goes.

homerism sux sometimes. i know many kobe homers who think kobe is actually better than MJ. i know many bron homers who thinks bron is already better than MJ. i ain't like that

 

[Harambe]

duncan is top 7-8 of all time. karl can't never be in the top 13. honestly, duncan pull so far ahead of karl. they aren't even comparable anymore. that's just how things are. if karl won at least 1 ring then you can say they are pretty close. but 4 ring(5appearances) vs. 0ring(2appearances). and duncan is still going strong. come playoff time he turns back the clock and becomes a beast.

stockton and thomas are actually much closer to each other than karl and duncan IMO.


head to head match up between zeke and stockton.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=thomais01&p2=stockjo01


i don't hate bad boys. i actually loved them. i always liked pistons because i hated the bulls and celtics and they took care of them many times. zeke was nasty. one of the greatest functional handles all time, and just knew how to make others better. he is the real life boss. baby face assassin really was a better nickname for him. one of the toughest competitor ever walked on earth. he is up there with MJ and kobe as far as competitive fire goes.

homerism sux sometimes. i know many kobe homers who think kobe is actually better than MJ. i know many bron homers who thinks bron is already better than MJ. i ain't like that

God you're awful.

 

[Fabtrey]

my list changes time to time, but i usually have same top 6. MJ is clearly the GOAT. 2 to 6 can change. I believe Bron will be top 5 one day. if duncan wins 1 more ring this year while being the man again then i will bump him up and put him above russell(which is a blasphemy for many analysts).

1. MJ
2. Magic
3. Kareem
4. bird
5. Wilt
6. Russell
7. Duncan
8. Shaq
9. Kobe
10. Hakeem
11. oscar robertson
12. Bron


I mean let's just be honest. how can i put karl malone above any of these guys? put stockton above any of those guys? i just can't do it. stockton and malone belong in the next tier

not in order

dr. J
jerry west
zeke
karl
stockton
petitt
charles
moses
baylor



and it's not a shame. just look at those names. they were great players. moses? dr. j? are you kidding me? there is no shame in that. NBA had some great great players. i also believe guys like KD can crack top 10 1 day if he wins a ring and continues to play well for next 10 years. but what if KD doesn't win a ring? then he would be in karl malone's tier. sorry, but you can't be top 10 when you don't have a ring. not in the NBA.

 

[John Crotty]

it was awesome. basketball was so much better when the league allowed players to be physical and players didn't flop. like simmons said, there were 3 glamorous team in this era in lakers, celtics. and then bulls. but Pistons crashed the party and won back to back. criminally underrated team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6XNqYf03Qk0

Basketball was so so so so so sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much worse back then. Its not even comparable. Watching those games on espn classic is hard to do.

 

[Fabtrey]

i'm not gonna argue against it.

but put it this way. 1989 Utah Jazz would torch 2014 Utah Jazz. they will make this Jazz team look like bunch of d leaguers. and 1997 Jazz would make our Jazz team look like college kids.

 

[fishonjazz]

i'm not gonna argue against it.

but put it this way. 1989 Utah Jazz would torch 2014 Utah Jazz. they will make this Jazz team look like bunch of d leaguers. and 1997 Jazz would make our Jazz team look like college kids.

So you think a team with multiple hall of famers is better than a team with no stars and all of the main players under 24 years old?
Ummm.... i agree