Redskin trademark canceled. senators urge name change

[fishonjazz]

You're not a societal caricature. You're not a symbol, you're not boiled down to stereotypes, white people don't expect you to be a positive influence on society in order to redeem the image of white people, you're not otherized. There are no words in society that mean for you what "redskin" means to a native American. That means you really don't understand what it means to a Native American to hear that word. I don't understand it either, but when so many Native Americans tell me it is painful, I believe them. Why would I want to cause pain just so I can carelessly use a word?

im sad for those native americans who allow a word to dictate and control thier emotions.

i pray that they become stronger and one day can handle hearing any word used without it controlling them.

 

[Stoked]

I believe the owner and team when they say that it is in honor of Native Americans. That it was not to offend in any way, shape or form.

I also believe the Native American groups that say they find it offensive.

I do not think the team should be forced to change it. The removal of their trademark protections was sad to see. The social pressure they are facing to change it is the right approach imo.

In short they should not be forced to change it by gov. but they should do it on their own. I'm not offended but I can see how it can be.

Also, are their similar complaints about the other NA themed names such as the Atlanta Braves (MLB) and Chicago Blackhawks (NHL)? serious question.

 

[DutchJazzer]

You're not a societal caricature. You're not a symbol, you're not boiled down to stereotypes, white people don't expect you to be a positive influence on society in order to redeem the image of white people, you're not otherized. There are no words in society that mean for you what "redskin" means to a native American. That means you really don't understand what it means to a Native American to hear that word. I don't understand it either, but when so many Native Americans tell me it is painful, I believe them. Why would I want to cause pain just so I can carelessly use a word?

how about redneck?

 

[8]

That's easy to say when the derogatory name does not apply to you.

How you know it doesn't?

One Brow the racialist thinking Native Americans don't have the internet

 

[DutchJazzer]

ok is dressing up as an native amrican offensive?

 

[One Brow]

im sad for those native americans who allow a word to dictate and control thier emotions.

I would be as well. I sad that people can read about cultural pressures, marginalization, and personal pain, and then they try to boil this down to allowing a word to dictate their emotions, because this sort of person it real and lacks empathy.

 

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I believe the owner and team when they say that it is in honor of Native Americans. That it was not to offend in any way, shape or form.

I also believe the Native American groups that say they find it offensive.

I do not think the team should be forced to change it. The removal of their trademark protections was sad to see. The social pressure they are facing to change it is the right approach imo.

In short they should not be forced to change it by gov. but they should do it on their own. I'm not offended but I can see how it can be.

Also, are their similar complaints about the other NA themed names such as the Atlanta Braves (MLB) and Chicago Blackhawks (NHL)? serious question.

The team won't be forced to change it; they just won't be able to use the trademark to make a lot of money. If people really want them to keep the name, they'll still make it a point to buy the more expensive official merchandise.

I believe there are more specific complaints, such as concerning the Cleveland Indians mascot, but I'n not aware of any sizable factions complaining about those team names.

 

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How you know it doesn't?

If it did, you would at least understand why people want it changed, and why it's hard for some people to ignore.

 

[Stoked]

I would be as well. I sad that people can read about cultural pressures, marginalization, and personal pain, and then they try to boil this down to allowing a word to dictate their emotions, because this sort of person it real and lacks empathy.

But it IS dictating their emotions. Not lessening the distaste/pain/emotions/rage/insertwordofchoice they feel at all as I believe them when they say it is offensive. But that does not make Fish wrong.

 

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ok is dressing up as an native amrican offensive?

Depends on the context and the approach.

 

[8]

If it did, you would at least understand why people want it changed, and why it's hard for some people to ignore.

Why do you think I don't understand that? I certainly do.

 

[One Brow]

But it IS dictating their emotions.

Based on your responses in other threads, you react differently to calling someone a 'gun owner' or a 'gun nut'. Is that allowing the words to dictate your emotion, or is that a genuine response to the actual implications present in a particular word choice?