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"Businesses don't create jobs"

Hantlers said:
So was Hillary taken out of context? Is she right? Is she wrong? Do I care? Cheese?
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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/25/hillary-clinton-business-jobs_n_6046856.html

Some context:
Don’t let anybody tell you that it's corporations and businesses that create jobs. You know that old theory, trickle-down economics. That has been tried; that has failed. It has failed rather spectacularly," she said in Boston.
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I'd wager she had planned to say "Don’t let anybody tell you that it's tax cuts for corporations and businesses that create jobs." Anyone who has followed her career would probably realize that.

If she meant exactly what she said, instead of it being a misquote, she would be wrong, both about businesses not creating jobs, and about trickle-down economics doing away with businesses. I find it very unlikely she made both of those errors.
 
Hantlers said:
Oh give me a break.
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To be fair, the way the original post was created...

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seemed like an appropriate response.
 
I watched the whole speech from which this part is culled. I forced myself to finish watching it mainly because I cannot stand to watch political speeches, I much prefer to read the transcription later so I can skip over the BS and don't have to listen to the tone, which is often condescending and patronizing. From what she said you could take it to mean that she means that corporations do not create jobs. I didn't hear much in the way of qualifiers. But I might have missed something as I was on my phone in my car waiting for my son to get off work at McDonald's, which location incidentally added about a dozen new jobs in the last year (according to the paper). Kinda ironic, dontcha think?
 
The opposite notion, that businesses create jobs, is not entirely true. I'd say demand creates jobs, businesses facilitate the fulfillment of that demand by employing people who produce or serve that which meets the demand. No one thing can really exist without the other. As with most things a balance is required.
 
And because I read the other day there's a possibility that Jeb Bush might run for president, my thought process if he and Clinton win nominations, we'd have in the major parties a person whose husband was a president and person whose father and brother were president, can we officially change the nation from a constitutional republic to an aristocracy?
 
Gameface said:
The opposite notion, that businesses create jobs, is not entirely true. I'd say demand creates jobs, businesses facilitate the fulfillment of that demand by employing people who produce or serve that which meets the demand. No one thing can really exist without the other. As with most things a balance is required.
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Businesses create jobs in order to fulfill market demand. I don't think "demand creates jobs" is a more meaningful statement since demand is an abstract concept, and not an actor that can perform action.
 
Siro said:
Businesses create jobs in order to fulfill market demand. I don't think "demand creates jobs" is a more meaningful statement since demand is an abstract concept, and not an actor that can perform action.
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Alright. But without demand business fails. It may be an abstract concept but it obviously has a tangible effect.

In some cases businesses create their own demand, and what we as consumers demand is often shaped by our options. I certainly don't want to minimize the role of business in the scheme of things, but business doesn't exist for the sake of business, and jobs don't exist as some benevolent effort by business to employ people for the sake of employment.
 
Gameface said:
Alright. But without demand business fails. It may be an abstract concept but it obviously has a tangible effect.

In some cases businesses create their own demand, and what we as consumers demand is often shaped by our options. I certainly don't want to minimize the role of business in the scheme of things, but business doesn't exist for the sake of business, and jobs don't exist as some benevolent effort by business to employ people for the sake of employment.
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Sure. It's all about supply and demand. What I meant was that the statement 'businesses create jobs' is fair and objective. I don't disagree with anything you're saying.
 
Gameface said:
The opposite notion, that businesses create jobs, is not entirely true. I'd say demand creates jobs, businesses facilitate the fulfillment of that demand by employing people who produce or serve that which meets the demand. No one thing can really exist without the other. As with most things a balance is required.
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GF the Big Classic.


Siro said:
Businesses create jobs in order to fulfill market demand. I don't think "demand creates jobs" is a more meaningful statement since demand is an abstract concept, and not an actor that can perform action.
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lol STFU smart trying to play way too smart guy.
 
Hantlers said:
So was Hillary taken out of context? Is she right? Is she wrong? Do I care? Cheese?
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One Brow said:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/25/hillary-clinton-business-jobs_n_6046856.html

Some context:

I'd wager she had planned to say "Don’t let anybody tell you that it's tax cuts for corporations and businesses that create jobs." Anyone who has followed her career would probably realize that.

If she meant exactly what she said, instead of it being a misquote, she would be wrong, both about businesses not creating jobs, and about trickle-down economics doing away with businesses. I find it very unlikely she made both of those errors.
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Damn, I was hoping one brow would simply answer the OP with "cheese"
 
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